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aircraft down near bathurst
November 7, 2008 - 9:01PM
Source: ABC "The New South Wales Fire Brigade says a plane has crashed just outside of Bathurst in the state's central west. Fire fighters are on the scene at Forest Grove and say there is a large amount of fire and grass alight" Hope they are OK |
damn I hate to hear this:sad: 4 confirmed dead in a Cherokee light plane crash west of BTH.
RIP fellow aviators CW |
Another sad incident... is it just me, or are they becoming more common? or is the media just reporting more on such incidents, especially since the wealth of material provided to journos by Qantas?
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For the record, current Bathurst TAF:
BATHURST (YBTH) TAF YBTH 070504Z 0708/0720 36012KT CAVOK FM070800 36010KT 9999 LIGHT RAIN SCT030 BKN070 INTER 0708/0720 4000 RAIN BKN010 RMK FM070800 MOD TURB BLW 5000FT TILL 072000 T 21 18 16 15 Q 1007 1008 1008 1005 METAR YBTH 071100Z AUTO 07005KT 9999NDV // BKN087 OVC100 16/13 Q1011 RMK RF00.0/000.8 |
A PA31 is being reported as the aeroplane, perhaps an engine failure in the soup and an assy issue?
Not good at all, more taken from us before their time. RIP |
With rain about likely was a very dark night. Sounds to me like disorientation after takeoff and flew into the ground shortly after. Will all come out in the investigation no doubt poor souls. If I'm right,
the old saying your are on instruments or visual not both holds true. |
And here we go again. Anybody else want to play Air Safety Investigator and leap to a conclusion before the bodies are cold?
It won't be long before the first "condolences to the families concerned" appear. |
Followed by the spelling police.
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Give me some credit, Wiz, I let that part go completely. ;)
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Channel 10 late news reported the aircraft was a Piper Navajo from Victoria.
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Sadly it was a Navajo as mentioned by the ATSB owned & operated by a Vitorian man. Name available (owner) as public knowledge but I don't wish to say as much.
Was lousy wx in most places last night, always a concern & seeing as there was no mayday call it seems as though it all happened very quickly. Hopefully we can learn something from this terrible tragedy. CW |
Why not assess the facts as they are known? A lot of people are interested in the subject and want to offer an opinion. Yes the ATSB report will have a lot more detail and better analysis than is available here, but the Final Report won't be available until 2010 at the earliest.
A wet dark night with a high speed impact, it's not unreasonable to conclude that disorientation was a contributing factor. |
I think ALL speculation is unresonable.:=
There are bout a 100.000 things that bring a plane down. and disoriontation is only one off them. If his wing has fallen off due to whatever than the wx has nothing to do with it. etc etc. But thats just my opinion. |
Ofcourse we can speculate and why not. If you have a look at the weather map there is simular conditions over much of the east coast all weekend. Hopefully by doing so it will prevent another needless loss of life.
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Agree totally
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anyone know the rego?
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Wow what a terrific looking machine, winglets, four bladers all setup for icing conditions, and it's a Chieftain not a Navajo, looks like is has aircon too.
I've never seen winglets on a PA31 before! |
A Victoria Police officer and her son were among four people who were killed when the light plane they were travelling in crashed into a hillside near Bathurst, in NSW's central west, last night. Leading Senior Constable Erin Condon, who was stationed at Ashburton police station, and her son, Matthew Thomas Condon, died at the scene, Victoria Police said this morning. Police said the twin-engine aircraft, registered to a Melbourne address, had just taken off from Bathurst for Taree when it crashed and burst into flames. There was no mayday call. Emergency services were called just before 8.30pm and arrived at the crash site about 20 minutes later. Debris was strewn over several hundred metres, and a large area of grass was alight. "There are four people who we believe were on board, who have died," a police spokeswoman said. "I believe it has burst into flames." She later confirmed that four bodies had been found, and local police said at least one of the victims was a child. A spokesman for the Australian Transport Safety Bureau said the aircraft was believed to be a Piper Navajo PA-31, capable of carrying six people. It was registered in Australia in 1989 and was owned and operated by Timothy O'Brien of Beaumaris in Victoria. Bruce Hodson, who owns the farm where the crash occurred, said the plane had crashed a kilometre from his house. "There is nothing left of the aircraft," he said. Mr Hodson, whose farm is used to teach school children about rural life, said he was surprised by the location of the crash. "It's not on the flight path." Ray Pickard, his wife, Cindy, and their children Tim, 8, and Clare, 6, had just sat down to watch television. "We heard two loud bangs, close together," Mr Pickard said. "It had just started raining and we thought it was a loud thunderclap. We thought 'That's unusual' and we looked out the window and could see flames about 300 metres away." He phoned Mr Hodson, who was driving home from dinner in Bathurst. "We arrived back to see all the police, ambulances and the fire brigade, and found a small plane had crashed," Mr Hodson said. |
It was a PA-31 350 Chieftain with Panther conversion. Reduced to a 6 seat executive interior, with all the extra's under the sun such as DVD players, Wingtips etc. A sad day for everyone when an aircraft equipped for those conditions and that level of experience behind the yoke goes in. Believe that this was a King Island airlines machine before the sale and subsequent conversion.
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If you have a look at the weather map there is simular conditions over much of the east coast all weekend. |
IAM? Was that an "Island Airlines" machine once? Rings a bell, might have flown it.
Am sure there will be a lot more about this event to come in the next few weeks. CW |
Ofcourse I'm not HH. My response is to those that believe we should not speculate as to the reason this accident occured. I am not a believer in sitting on ones hands and waiting for the "authorities" to tell us what happened after the event. History is littered with cases of fence sitters that allowed disasters to occur without questioning why or how. If only the co pilot of the Guruda flight that crashed by landing too fast had spoken out before hand is one recent case in point.
How would it be if your local mechanic on hearing funny noises coming from your steering box just said nothing, or an electrician on smelling a strange smell from the airconditioning duct elected to wait and see if the fire brigade could tell the cause after the fire! The very reason the flight safety mag is produced is to encourage discussion so all may learn from the accident and hopefully not repeat it. I have no room at my workplace for anyone to work with or for me that does not make decisions or speak out or question anything to do with safety. Now while this particular case may have had no chance to question prior to the event to now say we should not speculate or enquire as to the cause......come on. The aim of the game is not to let the holes in the swiss cheese line up. |
I departed bathurst as this aircraft was arriving and the weather was fine with a light northerly wind and overcast at approx 9000'. However there were some light showers to the west of the field.
Just my observations' The Dog |
I am not a believer in sitting on ones hands and waiting for the "authorities" to tell us what happened after the event. Methinks a re-read of this is in order - As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, or sciolists*, to elicit certain reactions. |
That's the way Binghi, you miss construe what I have said.
Now get back in your windowless box and stare at your navel:ugh: |
Not an Angel Flight mission
I understand that the crash was not an Angel Flight. Although registered with Angel Flight the pilot was inactive and had not flown a mission at all this year.
Sad thoughts to all those left behind. A real tragedy. |
Would have been pretty dark departing North under the overcast wouldn't it Under Dog?
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Terrible, terrible! :{
Policewoman, son killed in Bathurst plane crash - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) Detective Superintendent Mick Goodwin says the twin-engine Piper Navajo crashed shortly after taking off at around 8.30pm AEDT and appeared to be trying to return to the airport. Superintendent Goodwin says there was a radio transmission before the crash and the site can only be described as carnage. Peter Gibson from the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) says the plane hit the ground very hard and exploded on impact. "There was debris spread over some hundreds of metres around the impact site, plus a post impact fire," he said. Anyone overheard said transmission? I have often admired this beautiful machine, it was parked very close to my own at YMMB.. apparently it was extremely well looked after by the owner and its engineers, incomprehensible how this could have happened, I am sure we'll find out.. saw the owner perform a detailed daily inspection just a few weeks back :{ |
Just back to the winglets on a PA-31, VH-TKA 'Todd Kelly's Areoplane' has a panther kit with winglets as well.
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../0/1311066.jpg |
Mostlytossas,
I think you may have missed the point on speculation. The reason we DON'T speculate as to the cause of a crash is a safety reason. It is real real easy to form the wrong conclusion when basing ones belief of what happened on what is reported in the media. It is invariably WRONG!!!!! The reason we WAIT and don't speculate is so the authorities can get to the REAL reason for the crash and then put it out to all and sundry so we can then make informed educated deicsions on how to operate more safely. Restricting your own operations or changing procedures based on speculation does nothing for safety at all, in fact it could be argued that it decreases safety. The examples you gave are irrelevant and do not back up your premis and have nothing to do with post crash investigations. And as others have stated, the media will grab any soundbite they can and your and others speculation gives them everything they want and does NOTHING for the crash investigation, safety or those left behind. Cheers Mr B. |
In reply to Under Dog
May I ask what time that was? I was pottering around in the training area in the morning and the weather was very good. But over the rest of the day it steadily got worse. It was a very very dark night too. |
TAR was first registered to the original Airlines of Tasmania at Launceston. It was used in their aero medical contract
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Imported from the USA and first registered in September 1989 to a Medivac c/o Mr D.J .Hay of Logan Rd Evandale, sold to Skyport in 1993.
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VH-OPC c/n 31-7952082. ex N27994, N200HB, N123WR, VH-TAR and VH-IAM
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Some more details, it seems sadly owner operator Tim O'Brien was indeed the PIC, and his partner also perished :{ RIP fellow aviator!
Family mourns mum, son killed in crash - Yahoo!7 News Television reports named the pilot as Timothy O'Brien, 51, and the fourth person as his girlfriend Jackie, 40. Mr O'Brien, of Beaumaris, Melbourne , is a father of three boys, and volunteer pilot for charity Angel Flight which takes sick children from the bush to city hospitals. He owns a heating and air conditioning company. Detective Superintendent Mick Goodwin said the crash site revealed the plane had tried to return to the airport but went down 3km short of the runway. |
I have been out of that loop for a while but was TAR a WLm Sy thingy maybe 2 or 3 years ago on RPT?
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Just as a side note the other thread regarding this accident & the seeking of info from here by a Journo seems to have dissapeared? I went flying & all gone?
Did I miss something? I would think quite a few would have known Tim, he sure will be sadly missed:-( CW |
Tim was a great bloke and pilot and well respected. Tim will be sadly missed by all :{
Rest in peace mate your work with Angel Flight will never be forgotten. Missed by all..... |
Yup, the other thread was deleted.. someone had enough..
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