Aaaahh Torres , the Minj Balls at the Waghi Valley Club . The social event of the season .
Tiaras and elbow length gloves etc , and the memsahibs looked good too.

....and the Gumi Ball in Goroka :ok:

Overheard at the Markham Ball " look at them mangy pilots and the way they are hanging around all the (bombay sapphires). They are like a pack of feral animals waiting for the kill."

I used to be one of the hosties on the POM Minj charter taking the single females to the Waghi Valley Ball... until one year my then wife wanted to go with me!!!

......and there was only a few well chewed bones left after the plantation lads cut a swathe through 'em. :uhoh:

Sounds like most of the Douglas and Talair Pilots I knew!:E

Wonder what happened to a lot of those guys but was really aggrieved about the Courier as I was going to be checked out on it that afternoon...:)

Enjoyable reading
 

Guys, all of you,,,thanks for a wonderful amount of verbal and visual memorabilia, great to read.
Thanks very much.
GWP

RossS
 

Went back to southern Q'ld and started a "tank-sinking" i.e. dam building business in the 70's. You might say he never looked back.....

Early Twotter Pilots
 

A bit of history of the Twin Otter in New Guinea

TAA was one of if not the first airline operator outside of Canada to operate the Twin Otter. Phil Allan as OC Light Aircraft in TAA and based at Melbourne (Ex New Guinea) was the first Airline pilot to be endorsed on the type in Australia and New Guinea. The first TAA Twotter (VH-TGR) was ferried from Melbourne by Phil Allan and Mal McDougall leaving Melbourne on 29th October 1966 and arriving Lae 31st October 1966. Phil Allen endorsed Mal McDougall as the second pilot to be on the type in TAA. Mal McDougall operated as a Check and Training Captain on DC3's and Twin Otters training and checking the initial group of TAA Twin Otter pilots which included Grahame (Fatty) Hawkins, Allan Searle and others. Mal McDougall wrote the first TAA Operating Manual for the type and trained and checked all pilots on the type until he left the type and trained & checked his replacement Alwyn Smith. The other DHC-6 at the time was VH-TGS.

C180 - 185
 

The last time I flew a 180 would have been the Auckland Aero Club's BUF in 1962? Later flew a few 185's for Sir Dennis and if I recall correctly, another difference between types was that the C180 had a trimming tail plane, whilst the 185 had a trim tab?
:ok:

Sharpie you are correct. The 180 was a beast on an aborted landing if properly trimmed, as I remember it took a lot of strength to hold the elevator after applying power, and then getting rid of two notches of flap and furiously winding forward trim. It was a real man's aircraft.
Merpati were operating Twin Otters at the same time as TAA, as I was in the PT6 overhaul at the time. Merpati engines came to us in very good condition due operating in a benign environment, where the TAA engines were stuffed due corrosion courtesy of the short hops to Barrier Reef islands and non marinised engines. They came later as well as a compressor wash routine.
I remember Phil Allen as one of natures gentlemen. I also got a seat on a demo flight on the Twin Otter in Melbourne with Phil and was a real STOL landing and take-off.
I still maintain Twotters and still love them!!!

Both have the same tailfeathers Sharpie
Mostly the same everything except for some beefing up in the structure of the 185 and the powerplants.

Can't help myself, but the C185 and the Float and Gross weight increased C180's (later models), had a larger dorsal fin than the normal C180's.
Horizontal Stab and elevator is the same all round for both.
185.

185 man, did anyone stuff a turbine in one?

From the Soloy web site:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...urbineC185.jpg

I flew P2-BAF in Bougainville in the 70's does anyone know if this is the same aircraft mentioned earlier in this thread or was the rego transferred?

The later 180s max T/O weight with the floatplane mod and the larger dorsal fin can be increased to 3200LB with a 'Kenmore Plate'

Both the 180/185 are still the best anywhere in the world for getting in and out of fields on the sides of hills and sand with a decent load...

In the '60s just about every aero club in NZ had one as the 'cross country' machine.

They are still a fun machine today...

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1...t/P1010523.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1...P1000604-1.jpg


http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1...t/P1020226.jpg

mates rates it was one and the same aircraft.

Simbu Aviation owned it when I flew it in 87 and it was crashed fatally in about 93 not far from Kundiawa. Simbu had originally bought P2-MFX but it was ground looped at Mt Hagen during the endorsement of Simbu's first pilot and they then bought BAF - and hired a different pilot.

MFX was sitting in a shed in the Simbu Holdings compound, where we all lived, with its wings off in 87. It was eventually purchased by Mac Lee and I flew it a bit. MFX was sold after Mac was killed in his 402 near Kamina and was exported to Oz.

MFX's sister ship MFU was bought by Brian Bromley and returned to the air for use by his hunting/fishing lodge at Bensbach. I did a few hours or 20 in it at that time. It too was crashed, in the Western Provence, flipped upside down going off the end of a strip - I believe it was exported and is under restoration in Oz too.

All my pictures of BAF were destroyed by the volcanic eruptions in Rabaul collapsing my house in 1994.

Here is one of MFU during recovery of P2-DEQ/G-BTSM from a bingle at Arufi in the Western Province.

http://www.fototime.com/{F92CAB5F-D0...0}/picture.JPG

MFX
 

In around 2003/4 an expat CAAPNG airworthiness employee purchased same from Mac's estate and it was being restored in CAA hangar at POM in 05. There was only 4 left up there I recall in 05. P2-SEM at Wau, CCD later exported to Aus, MJL at Nadzab and MFX under restoration. Jim Casson had sold his ex Montfort 180 to Aus., and IDL had fatally crashed south of GKA.

Skywagondriver - your quote "In the '60s just about every aero club in NZ had one as the 'cross country' machine." made me wonder who else apart from The Auckland Aero Club, had a C180 (ZK-BUF-refer to Sharpies post 25th Nov) I can't think of any other club that had one.
Did my own conversion to the C180 with Bruce Chapman in 1962 on BUF at Ardmore, somewhere around the time that Sharpie left to go to PNG.

Blackburn

This beauty I flew once brand spanking new out of the box in all white paint
It never ended up dung dusting but someone destroyed it anyhow
ZK CKU

The only club C185 I can think of was Peter Mattichs Flying school in Taupo
Jack Bindon cross hiired Ray Veritys C180, but if you left it with so much as a seat belt not in the correct spot old Ray (150 kilo raging red headed nutter) would come knocking on yer door :ooh:

CKU
http://www.adastra.adastron.com/company/zk-cku.jpg

Wellington ZK-BUS ,New Plymouth, Hawkes Bay & East Coast [forget the reg but did a rating on theirs in '65]

Unless I am mistaken, it was SEQ at Wau.

Serra.. Ecker... Moik be easy enough after a big night in Wau
Reckon Serra ..Ecker ..Kerrbeck be a mumble bum job tho ...:uhoh:

Like the old Bishop in Wirui , used the same call sign for whatever aircraft he was flying.He felt comfortable with that :hmm:

Peter Matich (Black Pete of Taupo Flying School) initially leased C185C ZK-CGG (freighter) during 1967, but swapped it for C185D ZK-CHS by December 1967. CHS was with the company until late 1978. Did quite a few hours in CHS when I worked at the Napier Aero Club for Black Pete in 1971/2
Thanks for the update on BUS at Wellington, Skywagondriver!

Blackburn

Think they sold it on around 1964 but think it's still flying.
Started my love affair with the 180/185 when my dad shouted me my second ever flight in BUS in 1960. The aero club used to park it over by the old domestic terminal [new then:)] and did 'joyrides' on Saturdays and Sundays.

Anyone know what happened to P2-SEN?

CKU
 

CKU is on the desk in front of me, a straightened ID pate and log book stating converted to Float Plane 22/7/77. Last entry 19/2/78, at 5797 hrs, demise was you know where.

Cessna 185 ZK-EKA
 

I also bought the wreckage of the above at about the same time. Ser. No 271 after Air NZ Capt C.M. had mishap carrying a vat of live eels out of the Murchison River bed.It is now in northern Victoria. It was a very low time machine having been wrecked in New Caledonia early in its life.

Apart from the bush they are pretty handy on skis too...

Wonder what happened to COH? - it was the first 300hp 185 imported into NZ

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1...kiPlane2-1.jpg
TASMAN GLACIER 1968

Here's a tricky one.

What actually WERE the aircraft registrations for the PNG:

TAA Cessna 182: I think it was VH-SBP? Was it the only one?
TAA Cessna 185: From this site I gather it was VH-SBU. Was it the only one?
TAA Aztec/s:
TAA Twin Otters: I know of TGR and TGS, any more?

What about the other TAA GA types such as the Queen Air (VH-TGA, B, C?)

Grumman Mallard (VH-TGA?)

Ah, well I found out about the Twin Otters:

DeHavilland DHC-6-100: VH-TGR, VH-TGS, VH-TGT, VH-TGU.
DeHavilland DHC-6-200: VH-TGV, VH-TGW, VH-TGX, VH-TGY.
DeHavilland DHC-6-300: VH-TGE, VH-TGF, VH-TGG, VH-TGH, VH-TGI.

But what about the others?

Also, was the Catalina VH-SBV the only one or were there a few? Was that the one Garth Roche went swimming with?

A. le Rhone.

If you can, get a copy of Sinclairs Balus triology on PNG Aviation. Will give you a very good run-down on aircraft operating there. I can not help as my books are over in Subic.

Happy flying.

TAA types
 

Mallard in 63/64 was TGA later taken up by Queenair operated by TAA til 68 when it was taken over by RFDS. Aztecs were TGB & TGO & TGQ as I remember. TGB/C/D were later Queenairs. The TAA etc were DC3s, later taken up by DC4s. The TB-s were DC6s, with a couple of exceptions (TAD in 55) TJJ-TJU were DC9s. TJA -TJJ were B727s, and the TBs were B727-100s. The 182 has me buggered, and I only know of 1x185 SBU. TAA took over Qantas 6xDC3 and 4xOtter fleet in TPNG on Sept 1st 1960.

Sundaun.
 

Where did the Cessna 182 that Dick Glassey and other Ansett-MAL management pilots fly in the 1960's come from?

Was that a 'swap' from TAA when TAA got out of light aircraft when introducing the DHC-6?

VH-BVE
 

Cessna 182 as far as I know came with the purchase of Madang Air Services in 62. In June 67 it was sold to Richard Leahy who in 70 sold it to Warren Hansen. John Senior, Miles Barnes later owned it and Yorky & Doug exported it to Australia in more recent times. I don't think TAA ever used it? However they did have a C182D SBP which was sold to Masling's in 67.

The two DC6s flying twixt Aust and PNG were INU and INH

The Ansett 182 was an 'omni-vision' model - probably an 'E' model (1962). I flew in it between Madang - Aiome, and Madang - Kar Kar in 1962. Pilot was Harald Rorndorf if I remember.

SBU was definitely the old TAA one - flew it at STOL between 1966 and 1970.

happy days,

Animalclub
 

AnsettANA DC6Bs INH & INU were leased to TAA on 26th Feb 60 and returned on 29th Aug 66. They (TAA) also had an old BCPA rego in there.