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ryda 28th Jul 2008 09:51

Holding Pattern DME limit
 
This is a question I have:

You are entering a holding pattern. It has a 15 DME limit. This means:

a. you must complete you turn inbound without passing 15 DME
b. you must fly outbound until you reach 15 DME, then commence your turn inbound
c. you must commence your inbound turn at or by 15 DME
d. nothing if it is a 1 min pattern as you will always turn inbound well before 15 DME

The answers say it's C

But in the jepp's it says-
"DME LIMIT
Is the DME distance at which the outbound leg of the holding pattern must be terminated and the inbound turn commenced."


To my understanding that means the answer is B. Can anyone help?

Capt Fathom 28th Jul 2008 10:03

eg. If it's a 1 min pattern....

Start the turn at 1 min OR 15DME; whichever occurs first!

(You may have a strong tailwind outbound, reaching the DME Limit before the time

kalavo 28th Jul 2008 10:07

Next paragraph in Jepps Terminal AU-6 (4.3.1) "The pilot may shorten the holding pattern to leave the holding fix at a specified time."


b. you must fly outbound until you reach 15 DME, then commence your turn inbound
c. you must commence your inbound turn at or by 15 DME
b. implies that I must always wait until I reach 15 DME.
c. tells me I can can commence the turn at 15 DME or before hand if I choose to do so (ie shortening is allowed).

Little bit of an english test, but they're trying to check that you've read and understood the next paragraph and not just the DME limit paragraph.

Capt Fathom 28th Jul 2008 13:51

Come on guys & girls. It's not that difficult.

How will you survive the rest of your IFR careers if there is a debate over this! :ugh:

kalavo 28th Jul 2008 14:25

Uhh what debate? Ryda's book, myself and down3gr33ns have all said C.

ryda 28th Jul 2008 20:41

lol thanks everyone for the help. It was an atpl air law question and got confused a bit with the wording. Have my exam in 2 hours. :\

E&H 28th Jul 2008 23:49

1st Law of Aviation exams,

"If any doubt exists after RTFQ then always pick C."

capt787 29th Jul 2008 06:37

"C" or the longest answer, whichever makes more sense:}

takeonme 29th Jul 2008 08:02

I'm with Capt. Fathom. It really isn't all that hard.

Hope that helps!!

Centaurus 29th Jul 2008 10:31


It was an atpl air law question
Air Law question about a holding pattern limit? Sounds more like an instrument rating question rather than something a laywer would need to know.

Capt Chambo 31st Jul 2008 03:19

This question came up in my ATPL Air Law exam at the end of May. It was an English comprehension exercise! The way you have written it is far clearer than CASA did.
Despite spending probably 5 mins. trying to see what they wanted I still got it wrong!
(The AIP ref. is ENR1.5-25, 3.5, 3.5.1, 3.6, 3.6.1)


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