Conflict at Bathurst
 

What happened this morning when the B1900 was landing on 17 and a Duchess was on 35 ?? :ooh::ooh::ooh:

Holly **** we're at head to head I cant believe we're doing this"

Hopefully one of them went around!

I Was on the ground and listening to the CTAF frequency, A B1900 was in the circuit and made all the appropriate calls, there was also a c210 inbound from the north west at approx 4nm and going to join downwind for 35 as the 1900 was turning base for 17. No calls were made from the duchess until he replied 'sorry about that, was on the wrong frequency' when he was on short final. At this point both aircraft went around. Rumour has it the duchess was on some sort of flight test. Where was the instructor???? Probably from Bankstown???? Good luck on passing that one MATE!!!!:ok:

**** happens, if the duchess pilot was on a flight test, he was probably nervous as hell and we all make mistakes, I see this problem everywhere and it ****s me to tears and that is the fact that "professional" pilots have zero tolerance for people who are learning.

Jeebuz ... the last thing we need is BOTH of them going around!

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"**** happens, if the duchess pilot was on a flight test, he was probably nervous as hell and we all make mistakes, I see this problem everywhere and it ****s me to tears and that is the fact that "professional" pilots have zero tolerance for people who are learning."

Abinitio is one thing, M/E Flight test another. I have zero tolerance for people who are sharing the same airspace as me and apparently either haven't done their homework or maybe should be sitting in an office somewhere instead.

We've all had some close calls, but in the past quarter century that I've been in this game, most have been the result of someone else not having a clue. If you are unable to be competant, stay on the bl@@dy ground, and let the "**** Happen" there.

Rant over.

I see you use the word "most" KRUSTY. So there has been the odd time where you've not had a clue? :E

Absolutely Brian.

If we haven't at some time or another said to ourselves "There but for the grace of God...", then we haven't really been amongst it.

But the fact remains, the capacity for basic errors by those entrusted with the operation of an aircraft still never ceases to amaze me. lately I find myself shaking my head at the performance of some pilots, as one might, whilst following a confused and indecisive driver on the road!

It's just not good enough!

That would have to be the most pathetic, moronic and pissweak excuse I've ever heard!

Mate, this is not virtual reality, it's not MS Flight Sim - it's real.

You cannot rewind it and have another go. Nor can you say "Oops, I'm sorry"

Mistakes kill.

Whether the pilot was on a flight test or not is irrelevant; one would expect that anyone flying a twin, had sufficient flying experience and training to be able to perform the most basic of pilot functions like selecting and tuning a radio to the correct frequency and keeping their eyes and ears wide open.

"**** happens".....great attitude, fella :yuk:

I almost had a similar situtation once at Bathurst. Thank God I decided to hold short and clarify the situation with the planes in the circuit before taking off.

i would blame the testing officer, we all know how you can be inexperienced, stressed, loaded up with multiple simulated failures etc while the testing officer could at least make sure things are safe while he puts you through the wringer.

Must be good to be perfect! Never dialled up the wrong frequency yourself, huh?

What is the big deal here? I also subscribe to the "Sh*t happens - deal with it" philosophy!

Was there a near miss? Were any lives seriously threatened?

Both going around may not be the ideal situation, but presumably they got it sorted.

Geeez! Lighten up.

Dr :8

Wonder which way they turned? ... :ooh: .... or did the 1900 just out climb him during the joust :\

You have to let the student screw up so you can fail him/her (poor bugger)

you must be kidding

CASA's reply get over it.
 

I was in the same situation some years ago at RAAF Ric.
Get this I'm in a traumahawk on final and a Herc pulls out onto the runway takes off straight at me. Not one radio call at all.(From him)
Guess who got in the crap?
"ME"
When I phoned CASA they said get over it it happens twice a week in the bush. In the end I got shafted for complaining.
So my advice "GET OVER IT"
Kickatinalong.:mad::mad::mad:

Yes I have, once

Like I said, great attitude :yuk:

They both veered right on the missed approach, the Duchess departed and the B1900 rejoined for 35.
I figured the B1900 would have TCAS, but maybe not. ????

In my quarter of a century I have seen as many mistakes by alleged 'Pro's', as I have by students and weekend warriors alike, some of these have resulted in extremely close calls in IMC!:eek:

The fact is it happens to all of us at some stage, so it is important to learn from both our own mistakes, as well as those of others.:ok:

PS: Hands up who has NEVER been on the wrong frequency!;)

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"Rumour has it the duchess was on some sort of flight test. Where was the instructor???? Probably from Bankstown???? Good luck on passing that one MATE!!!!:ok:"

Good luck to them both glider39. With the reduction in experienced instructors it's probably a case of the blind leading the blind. If I was in the Duchess crew's shoes, I would've p!ssed off as well. Especially if Dave was flying the B1900!

So much for "see and avoid".

Good job for the "see & be seen" theory, when all else fails my instructor said look out the damn window & always have an 'out' until yr parked in the hangar! I fly by his words, works for me whilst I climb that fragile ladder.
I'm sure ALL pilots have & will continue to do so make mistakes such as the above, esspecially airline pilots, no pilot was born an airline pilot, they learnt like I am doing these days from actual experiences & experience can't be bought.



FG

We got cut off in the circuit at Dubbo yesterday by REX SAAB.
Sometimes it makes me wonder if they (RPT operators) think they own the skies.

Even after numerous calls back and forth they still managed to turn base and cut us off at about a 1nm final. Thanks guys.

Was going to say "my jet fuel costs just as much as yours", but thats probably not the case either, mine probably cost more. :ugh::ugh:

You come across all types. Many, many years ago had to deliver an aircraft to Kingsford Smith/Mascot what ever its name was in those days. Taxi to the Qantas hangar for the aircraft to be prepared for loading on a 747 and a TAA DC-9 started bleating about how did ATC have the temerity to let a GA aircraft use HIS airport and delay his push back. Maybe he had just had an argument with the missus.

C'mon fella's, as Glider39 said, the guy in the Duchess apologised for not being on the correct frequency.
And, most of the RPT guy's are OK. Were not all pefect.

ZAC

Beautifully spoken flyinggit, worth the repetition. :ok:

Unfortunately, I have been on the wrong frequency a number of times in the past but, thanks to a a piece of very useful advice from one of my ATOs, I now believe there is no excuse for any pilot to be on the wrong CTAF frequency.

Rather than simply relying on receiving beepbacks (which may be generated by another AFRU), the ATO simply pointed out to me a feature of AFRUs which does not appear to be used very often by pilots i.e. if you activate the TX button 3 times within a 5 second period the AFRU will transmit the pre-recorded station identifier regardless of the amount of radio activity evident in the last 5 minutes. His suggestion was to do this as part of your pre-taxi checks at a CTAF airport and immediately before making your first inbound CTAF call. By doing this you confirm 2 facts, (1) your radio is transmitting and (2) you are on the correct CTAF frequency for the airport.

Before this advice, I used to look up the chart, dial up the CTAF frequency and transmit assuming I was on the correct frequency.

well said mate. It would be nice to start of training with 5000 hrs experience