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I Was on the ground and listening to the CTAF frequency, A B1900 was in the circuit and made all the appropriate calls, there was also a c210 inbound from the north west at approx 4nm and going to join downwind for 35 as the 1900 was turning base for 17. No calls were made from the duchess until he replied 'sorry about that, was on the wrong frequency' when he was on short final. At this point both aircraft went around. Rumour has it the duchess was on some sort of flight test. Where was the instructor???? Probably from Bankstown???? Good luck on passing that one MATE!!!!
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**** happens, if the duchess pilot was on a flight test, he was probably nervous as hell and we all make mistakes, I see this problem everywhere and it ****s me to tears and that is the fact that "professional" pilots have zero tolerance for people who are learning.
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"**** happens, if the duchess pilot was on a flight test, he was probably nervous as hell and we all make mistakes, I see this problem everywhere and it ****s me to tears and that is the fact that "professional" pilots have zero tolerance for people who are learning."
Abinitio is one thing, M/E Flight test another. I have zero tolerance for people who are sharing the same airspace as me and apparently either haven't done their homework or maybe should be sitting in an office somewhere instead.
We've all had some close calls, but in the past quarter century that I've been in this game, most have been the result of someone else not having a clue. If you are unable to be competant, stay on the bl@@dy ground, and let the "**** Happen" there.
Rant over.
"**** happens, if the duchess pilot was on a flight test, he was probably nervous as hell and we all make mistakes, I see this problem everywhere and it ****s me to tears and that is the fact that "professional" pilots have zero tolerance for people who are learning."
Abinitio is one thing, M/E Flight test another. I have zero tolerance for people who are sharing the same airspace as me and apparently either haven't done their homework or maybe should be sitting in an office somewhere instead.
We've all had some close calls, but in the past quarter century that I've been in this game, most have been the result of someone else not having a clue. If you are unable to be competant, stay on the bl@@dy ground, and let the "**** Happen" there.
Rant over.
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most have been the result of someone else not having a clue
Absolutely Brian.
If we haven't at some time or another said to ourselves "There but for the grace of God...", then we haven't really been amongst it.
But the fact remains, the capacity for basic errors by those entrusted with the operation of an aircraft still never ceases to amaze me. lately I find myself shaking my head at the performance of some pilots, as one might, whilst following a confused and indecisive driver on the road!
It's just not good enough!
If we haven't at some time or another said to ourselves "There but for the grace of God...", then we haven't really been amongst it.
But the fact remains, the capacity for basic errors by those entrusted with the operation of an aircraft still never ceases to amaze me. lately I find myself shaking my head at the performance of some pilots, as one might, whilst following a confused and indecisive driver on the road!
It's just not good enough!
**** happens, if the duchess pilot was on a flight test, he was probably nervous as hell and we all make mistakes, I see this problem everywhere and it ****s me to tears and that is the fact that "professional" pilots have zero tolerance for people who are learning.
Mate, this is not virtual reality, it's not MS Flight Sim - it's real.
You cannot rewind it and have another go. Nor can you say "Oops, I'm sorry"
Mistakes kill.
Whether the pilot was on a flight test or not is irrelevant; one would expect that anyone flying a twin, had sufficient flying experience and training to be able to perform the most basic of pilot functions like selecting and tuning a radio to the correct frequency and keeping their eyes and ears wide open.
"**** happens".....great attitude, fella
i would blame the testing officer, we all know how you can be inexperienced, stressed, loaded up with multiple simulated failures etc while the testing officer could at least make sure things are safe while he puts you through the wringer.
one would expect that anyone flying a twin, had sufficient flying experience and training to be able to perform the most basic of pilot functions like selecting and tuning a radio to the correct frequency
What is the big deal here? I also subscribe to the "Sh*t happens - deal with it" philosophy!
Was there a near miss? Were any lives seriously threatened?
Both going around may not be the ideal situation, but presumably they got it sorted.
Geeez! Lighten up.
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You have to let the student screw up so you can fail him/her (poor bugger)
you must be kidding
one would expect that anyone flying a twin, had sufficient flying experience and training to be able to perform the most basic of pilot functions
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CASA's reply get over it.
I was in the same situation some years ago at RAAF Ric.
Get this I'm in a traumahawk on final and a Herc pulls out onto the runway takes off straight at me. Not one radio call at all.(From him)
Guess who got in the crap?
"ME"
When I phoned CASA they said get over it it happens twice a week in the bush. In the end I got shafted for complaining.
So my advice "GET OVER IT"
Kickatinalong.
Get this I'm in a traumahawk on final and a Herc pulls out onto the runway takes off straight at me. Not one radio call at all.(From him)
Guess who got in the crap?
"ME"
When I phoned CASA they said get over it it happens twice a week in the bush. In the end I got shafted for complaining.
So my advice "GET OVER IT"
Kickatinalong.
Must be good to be perfect! Never dialled up the wrong frequency yourself, huh?
What is the big deal here? I also subscribe to the "Sh*t happens - deal with it" philosophy
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They both veered right on the missed approach, the Duchess departed and the B1900 rejoined for 35.
I figured the B1900 would have TCAS, but maybe not. ????
I figured the B1900 would have TCAS, but maybe not. ????
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We've all had some close calls, but in the past quarter century that I've been in this game, most have been the result of someone else not having a clue. If you are unable to be competent, stay on the bl@@dy ground, and let the "**** Happen" there.
The fact is it happens to all of us at some stage, so it is important to learn from both our own mistakes, as well as those of others.
PS: Hands up who has NEVER been on the wrong frequency!
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"Rumour has it the duchess was on some sort of flight test. Where was the instructor???? Probably from Bankstown???? Good luck on passing that one MATE!!!!"
Good luck to them both glider39. With the reduction in experienced instructors it's probably a case of the blind leading the blind. If I was in the Duchess crew's shoes, I would've p!ssed off as well. Especially if Dave was flying the B1900!
So much for "see and avoid".
"Rumour has it the duchess was on some sort of flight test. Where was the instructor???? Probably from Bankstown???? Good luck on passing that one MATE!!!!
" Good luck to them both glider39. With the reduction in experienced instructors it's probably a case of the blind leading the blind. If I was in the Duchess crew's shoes, I would've p!ssed off as well. Especially if Dave was flying the B1900!
So much for "see and avoid".