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-   -   It's official.Flight training to be HECS as of may 08 (https://www.pprune.org/pacific-general-aviation-questions/315451-its-official-flight-training-hecs-may-08-a.html)

StallsandSpins 15th May 2008 03:44

would this apply to rotary wing training as well?

flyer_18-737 15th May 2008 03:48

I am going to go for "Bachelor of Aviation" at Swinburne next year, hopefully, anyway can I put the Flight training on HECS (in 2009), YES OR NO (no mabyes)

2ndGen 15th May 2008 03:55

I may have missed the boat (plane) on this thread, but as one of the lucky ones to get into this years cadetship with Qantas which is covered under FEE-HELP (and as I understand it this is the same way the proposed scheme will run) I can tell you that getting the FEE-HELP loan is in no ways an open door. The course I am doing costs more than the $80-odd-thousand you get as a loan from the gov, so the way I see it is those wanting to take up this option will still need to come up with a substantial amount of money off their own bat just to complete their course anyway. And although it is 'interest free' they still apply a 20% 'loan fee' so and $80K loan turns into $96K.
Either way, its a step closer for many and I'm all for it.
Good luck to all.

StallsandSpins 15th May 2008 03:56

by the look of things its leaning towards yes. Although dont you already have to be a cadet with an airline to access this funding through swinburne?

Pinky the pilot 15th May 2008 11:24

Hmm, wonder if it will pay for an IFR reissue??:confused:

Fat chance, methinks!:sad:

2ndGen 15th May 2008 11:38

as far as i'm aware stallsandspins, its only the QF cadetship for the moment.

flog 15th May 2008 11:58

From the DEEWR Website confirming all this...
 
http://www.dest.gov.au/sectors/train...lp/default.htm

I think I called it DEWA earlier - it's DEEWR (Dept. Education, Employment and Workplace Relations), used to be DEST (Dept. Education, Science and Training)

Anyway - below in summary from the Govt. site. :ok:

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VET FEE-HELP is an extension of the Higher Education’s income contingent loan scheme, FEE-HELP. The VET FEE-HELP loan scheme is being introduced to the Vocational Education and Training (VET) sector.

Introduction



VET FEE-HELP is an income contingent loan scheme for the Vocational Education and Training (VET) sector that is part of the Higher Education Loan Program (HELP). It is an extension of the higher education loan scheme FEE-HELP arrangements.
VET FEE-HELP is being introduced to the VET sector in 2008. Over the next four years, it is expected that around $261 million in loans will be issued.
VET FEE-HELP will assist eligible full fee-paying students who are enrolled in one of the following VET accredited courses through a VET provider (an RTO approved to offer VET FEE-HELP to its students) to pay for all or part of their tuition fees:
  • Diploma*
  • Advanced Diploma*
  • Graduate Certificate
  • Graduate Diploma
* with a credit towards a higher education award
Legislative amendments to the Higher Education Support Act 2003 (HESA) received Royal Assent on 20 March 2008. These amendments allow for the legislative guidelines for VET FEE-HELP to be approved. The legislative guidelines will be registered on the Federal Register of Legislative Instruments (FRLI) before being approved by Parliament. VET FEE-HELP is expected to become available during the second half of 2008.

Speedbird 9 16th May 2008 05:13

I can confirm the rumour. Today I went to a career expo and saw a representative for aerospace aviation based at bankstown airport. She informed me that as of next month, the full time training course can be financed with HECS. This will most probably through FEE-HELP?

Speedbird 9

das Uber Soldat 16th May 2008 05:54

Though I initially supported the idea, I think fee help has the capability to be a rather bad idea. Whilst for genuine candidates its great, the number of drop dead morons who will seize this as an opportunity to just fly around and waste a spectacular amount of money after they leave school might be higher than anyones expectations.

I think to qualify for this fee help you should need to pass some sort of aptitude testing, or need to qualify for allocated fee help places in a similar vein to that of any reputable University.

Of course you may already have to, I wasn't really paying attention.

dj Mcrae 16th May 2008 07:48

already studying path
 
This is interesting news!

Generally what do you some of you think the process and turn around time will be in the actual schools getting approval and implementation and what if training has has already started as in my case? will it be still viable?

I am currently doing a DOA at my local school (self funded) and although I am quite determined to pass it either way i go about it, i would certainly enjoy having this sought of assistance to free up the rather rapid fund consumption that is learning to fly until industry employed....

Seems a little bit more productive than HECS to become an artist :p

StallsandSpins 16th May 2008 09:51

so are any victorian schools providing training under this scheme?

sprocket check 16th May 2008 15:20

anybody want to sell me an AOC for a flying school?

max autobrakes 17th May 2008 11:51

Anybody really want to become a pilot anymore?:ooh:

Speedbird 9 17th May 2008 12:24

I do, and I'll do it with or without HECS

PyroTek 17th May 2008 14:29

I'm following SpeedBird 9's response!

Yes, I'll do it, With or Without HECS...
However, with HECS will mean I could do it in a much shorter time!

Lasiorhinus 17th May 2008 14:37

I did it without HECS.

Can the tax office loan me $80,000 cash, and I'll pay it back to them via HECS?

layman 18th May 2008 01:15

HECS v VET-FEE-HELP
 
I don't know about the operation of either of these schemes but ...

<pedant mode on>

HECS is aimed at university (degree) courses

VET-FEE-HELP is aimed at vocational (certificate / diploma) courses

<pedant mode off>


They probably operate in a similar manner but will be just different enough that looking up the details of HECS may send you down the wrong path.

regards
layman

bushy 18th May 2008 01:53

CPL
 
A CPL is not a magic thing that gets you into an airline.
I hope we do not get another large "pool" of desparate CPL holders fighting for a few jobs in GA and degrading the industry, We then have geniune charter operators being undercut by flying schools moving in and selling ICUS to wannabies on charter flights.
The MPL is the proper way to go, so airline wannabies stay in the airline system and do not get misled into GA jobs they don't want. (if they can get one)
Both airlines and GA will benefit from the MPL.
People who want an airline job should make contact with an airline ASAP BEFORE spending lots of time and money on training.

PyroTek 18th May 2008 02:17


People who want an airline job should make contact with an airline ASAP BEFORE spending lots of time and money on training.
In what way? and for what purpose?
PM me if you like :ok:

flyer_18-737 18th May 2008 05:24

Contact an airline before training, knowing the bare minimum(nothing), why????? Will they fund it for me?


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