RACWA
 

HELLO everyone ,

I had a look at RACWA in perth and its really looking good !

Beside that i want to become an airline pilot so complete my CPL/ ME IR ATPL is that a good choice ?

Please your advice would help, i already had a good view from FB_ACE ;)

Thanx in advance :p

Yes..........

I would suggest completing your ATPL BEFORE BECOMING AN AIRLINE PILOT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT CHOICE!:E




Couldn't help it!

English exams start when?:D

march i believe, its a level 4 standard required by casa :p

Wrong answer
 

Actually i was asking about Royal aero club WA

Any advice comment hints feeback about the training the place the reputation etc

"Thanx a lot Airsic i know that"

But what i meant is RACWA is it good for CPL/IR ATPL? :E

What are talking about the English exam?:D

inside joke, kinda...
view http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=307362
about the english exams...

Oh Dear!:bored:

Yes RACWA is good place and I highly recommend it. I completed my CPL there, and the training they offer is brilliant.

Not sure if they off an ATPL course though, but there are many places that do.

Just worry about your CPL now, then look at the IR and ATPL's.

yaaaaa...
 

My advice would be to have a look at ALL the training organisations before commencing to shell out inordinate sums of $$$!! Clubs may have alot to offer in terms of facilities, organised events and social opportunities but beware of getting lost in the numbers and the sausage factory approach to training that may prevail. I have also found you can sometimes wind up being placed with too many junior instructors and stand to gain little practical knowledge over and above the text book training.

Smaller outfits can offer more personalised training, higher grade instructors who may have a broader range of aeronautical experience to pass on during the course of your flying.

I completed my CPL with a smaller company who were willing and prepared to accomodate my specific needs, whereas (unfortunately a poor business decision on their part as I completed my PPL there!) the RACWA informed me under no certain circumstances that it would not be possible to meet my particular training requirements. :ugh:

Be informed so as to make the right decision, you'll no doubtedly use the same process all through your flying career!!

rN :ok:

".....I completed my CPL there, and the training they offer is brilliant....."
I guess you just don't know what you don't know.:ugh:
The Comet.

yeah shop around is all i can say. RACWA is hit and miss. You might get placed with a few very junior instructors who have pretty much no industry knowledge, so it could be like the blind leading the blind. Also if you try hiring a specific aircraft you will need to book quite a bit in advance because the place is so busy.

The are lots of other goods school out there that have very qualified grade one instructors who will be able to offer you better training.

MFS
 

hey guyz

What about Moorabbin Flight Service ?

thanx :)

Degrees/Diplomas GST free
 

icecream_pilot, if you are looking at making it a career, why not consider going to a flight training school that offers a degree/diploma course. These courses are GST free. You'll save thousands of dollars (literally) by the time you get all the qualifications you are looking at.

ATO ruling is here: http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.ht...T%20-fre...%3B

Cheers

feel free to PM me as I can recommend some good school where you will get value for money with some good instructors and complete your course on time.

Diversity old chap
 

I've always been glad that Jandakot has RACWA, it's done well to act as a kind of a black hole and has sucked the vast majority of bland pilots its way. That's not to say that the training is inadequate, it's just always struck me as sterile, bland, overbearing (weird rules) and self-serving.



I did my PPL/CPL down the strip, some tailwheel flying further down the strip, a NVFR in the middle of the strip (massive plug here for Minovation), an initial multi at yet another place up near the RACWA end, a subsequent twin endorsement with yet another mob and then a MECIR at Perth. I do think that it's important to stay at one place for one bit of training (no good jumping around from one school to the next between PPL navs) but perhaps get a bit of knowledge from one group and then go somewhere else for a fresh perspective. Plus you'll get a chance to meet more people who may be just the people you need to get later jobs (read: referees!).


With regards to RACWA, I have gone there and hired/cross-hired their aeroplanes but I cannot comment directly on their instructing style only their product: on average OK but many of them lack a real appreciation of why their aeroplane actually flies (they can explain all of the forces and draw the diagrams but getting them to "fly the wing" smoothly takes time and costs the company money).


Wherever you go have fun and good luck,


FRQ CB


PS To the RACWA folk please understand that I'm just trying to broaden a young person's horizon.

PPS To the RACWA folk again, why must a pilot sign the MR again if it's already been signed two hours before by another fully qualified Private PILOT?:\

PPL can only sign the MR for that flight. CPL signature is valid all day:ok:

Hey Icecream,

RACWA, Mmmmm? I agree with the previous person (Sorry no name) bland and boring. Wierd rules inc wierd endorsments but hey, don't let us put you off, it's good to get a very good look at other schools on the strip.

I started at Minovation (Great range of Piper a/c) Then did my CPL at the Aviation Inst, but have been advised it's not there any more! Still, the thing that sold it for me was the friends I met at both schools, it was the most fantastic time of my life and the social aspec was a mojor part of things.....Plus this helps in later in life as eveyone has an opinion in the industry!!;) On top of this some places (Dare I say it:oh:) don't like to employ RACWA pilots on there first job......just something I heard a few times.....Please no Flame throwers!!!:oh:

Take a walk around all of them (Schools) and see what they have to offer, have a look at there maintenence hanger, chat to instructors, have a look at there a/c, chat about your plans for the future etc etc, it all helps form an opinion. :ok:

YPJT has some really good schools and just because they don't have a flash building does not mean that they are in any means crap or non professional, infact I would have to say from personal experience that I would not choose RACWA but het that's just me, and I have flown there.

Cheers PP:ok:

Over and gout,

Do you have a reference for this?

CASA schedule 5 defines the daily inspection, doesn't specify licence type. 42ZE (1) (a) may apply to RACWA, ie if they have an approved system of maintenance other than CASA sched 5 part 1, in which case it would be in their ops manual, but doesn't apply to everyone.

Perhaps someone could also explain why cowl flaps should be opened on final when POH says no such thing, and why a WAC with hand drawn airspace is preferable to the operational document for that airspace ie the VNC?

"Because my instructor told me" is not an answer.

"Because my instructor told me" is not an answer.
:D
Icecream pilot you really are going to struggle to find comprehensive CPL training at JT, but then again if becoming an airline pilot is more important to you than learning to fly you'll probably fit right in at RACWA.
JD, JB et al invented the art of flight as we know it didn't they?
ThE cOmEt.

:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Where on the MR does it require the person carrying out the DI to specify the type of licence held?

MR
 

I digresshttp://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/st...smiley-023.gif:

SPL signature is valid for one hour and ATPL signature is valid all week.

Now if it's for NVFR then the DI is valid for 2 hours for a NVFR pilot but if a MECIR pilot signs the MR it is valid all night (and until first light despite the fact that its a new day). However if said MECIR pilot is not current but holds a NVFR then it's only valid for 2 hours unless co-signed by a LAME with at least a PPL.

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sa...smiley-014.gifLet us not forget that CAO 88.1.0 Para 78.6(r) (limited distribution) specifies that:

"If said aircraft has tailwheel undercarriage then [all the above] applies with the additional condition that it be well understood that any self-respecting CPL/ATPL who actually re-signs after a perfectly entitled and licenced PPL:
a) march directly across the road (without looking either way before crossing) and
b) find the nearest Pilot Licence holder (not being the holder of a Student Pilot Licence) and
C) declare himself/herself a total uu@nker and
D) pull down his/her dacks and prepare for the cane.

A word of warning, from my reading of the CARs an Offence against CAO 88.1.0 Para 78.6(r) substitutes a breach of Strict Liability (refer to the Criminal Code).

Hey, don't blame me I don't write the rules, I just make them up as I go to suit myself.

FRQ CB,

Gold mate - Pure Gold! :ok::ok::ok:

Just a couple of questions though. Is the NVFR time limit reduced when an alternate is required due to rwy lighting requirements.
What about MECIR pilot required to hold due to traffic in a CTR. Is the time limit on the MR signature automatically extended?

I am just wondering if Over and Gout's post was a windup? If it was, well done:D

Nah bugger 'em. Part of the pre-flight prep should have included:

For the NVFR pilot packing a spare set of backup runway flares (God knows I never leave home without them) to lay down some new lighting so that they can land, resign the MR, manually activate the LIRL (to take off and then make a proper landing).


or in the case of the ATPL:

packing a spare LAME to co-sign the MR on just such an occasion (this can be done whilst airborne but not in conjunction with any inflight refueling... unless it's JP5 and not AVTUR, that's kosher).

Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. (I personally believe that every one of RACWA's C152s should have a LAME in the baggage area just in case.)

Who's up for a "right hand seat endorsement" ? :yuk:

Do not, repeat not, that is NOT, be sucked in by their insistence that to get a CPL you will have to do low-level and tailwheel endorsements. Absolute tosh. Tell them (if they throw that one at you) that that is not a requirement for a CPL and that you would prefer to use the hours on a C210 or even a light twin to get that experience. I'm sure there'll be other tails of woe from the "Royal Scare-oh club".

They dont offer "210 endorsements", too, do they?

The tail-wheel endorsement sure comes in handy when making the trek north to pursue that first job, (and time in the tiger is cream on the cake.):cool:

so where else can I train ?
 

Started at RACWA. Instructors where young, late and totally dis-interested. They regularly cancelled my lesson on the day and changed instructors without notice.

Now that WB has gone, so have I and many others.

TAP - same story, just short of staff.

Min ???

Anyone else out there I should give a go ?? Maybe Florida - now that sounds like a good spend of my hard earned $$

Maybe you should have had a chat with the CFI.:E

Yeah, should have. But one flight was with the then GM, who didn't show up for one test flight !!!!

CFI was away flying float planes and the receptionist(s) didn't really know who was around.

Gave up and not been back since.

Why wait until you're at CPL level to get a decent, experienced instructor? Get a good instructor early on, and reap the benefits of good training from ab-initio! As a student, you shouldn't be accepting a low standard of instructing because "the instructors are there to build hours".

I'm not leaving my wingman
 

(sic)

FP ACE, As Lasiorhinus will no doubt agree Ab Initio is where the training really counts. Poor CPL training (getting your ETA to within + or - 2 minutes) isn't going to kill you and your passengers; stalling whilst over-rotating will (Flying lesson 3 I think). There's something terribly wrong when the teachers are last year's/month's graduates (mentors yes, teachers no).

Don't expect a reply; I'm sure that FP Ace (Figher Pilot Ace methinks) is probably too busy sitting up on the RACWA roof trying to intercept the odd VHF transmission from Pearce or standing in front of the tele at Western Airmotive watching Top Gun... hoping that maybe this time Goose will make it (sorry to spoil the plot guys).


Yeah, RACWA is pretty useless except as a great place to:
1 - crosshire something
2 - act as a black hole to suck all the weekend warriors to the western end of the field.

FRQ CB:ok:

OK FP Ace, sorry that was a bit rude. Truth be known I'm pretty sure that I saw Air America (the whole thing) in WAM.:yuk:

Dunno about going overseas. I felt good about the training I got at TAC (yes, they failed me on my PPL, tough/expensive lesson but probably saved me from making some deadly flying decisions). Also heard good things about others. I was pretty excited to hear last year that Fighter Combat International was doing up to PPL training. I think that it'd be a fair bit more expensive but Jeremy seems to know what he's doing (and you do the whole thing in a fully aerobatic tailwheel i.e. the Super Decathlon).

What about Minovation or if you really need a flash looking school Air Australia?

Things change over time and I know that it's a bit tough at all the GAAPs at the moment. All it takes is for one or two instructors to leave a company and the scheduling is all shot with the students suffering.


FRQ CB

At Minovation the difference is that the CPL course is a modular course and designed to prepare people for the realities of GA rather than using Boeings on the marketing, giving people unrealistic expectations and making people wear silly uniforms.

All instructors are career Grade Ones and most have been there for years, you won't get stuffed around by a fugly Grade Three moving on.

You have to book well in advance for lessons though, and not everyone is accepted onto the CPL course, but if you want quality and be headhunted by GA employers it's worth the wait.

Agreed with Min. Only poblem is the reliability of her mounts. The boomerang although new is apt in its name. Seems to spend just too much of its life with the cowls off and engineers hanging inside searching for the bugs.

JFC - now there a typical example of a GA school going pearshaped. do they actually fly these days ??? Seem to be a lot of folk wandering arouond in JFC epaulettes and a lot of dead aircraft.

60+ hours a month and time in the hangar for routine maintenance and some mods on the Boomerang doesn't make it "unreliable" in my view, but whatever...!
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rumour!

Mr (or should I say Miss) CFI. There is a lot more going on than routine maintenance. Lets be honest now !



Rather a lot of opinion and expertise for an ab initio pilot???

Perhaps you should skip PPL and CPL and go straight to ATPL??

:mad: :mad:

Tail Wheel

Blackyack,
Take another look at CFI's post.
If you are going to quote - quote fully and accurately :=

I think the best thing you could do is go into each school, have a look around, speak to some people there, both staff and current students. You will probably get a good idea of each place that way, rather than relying on PPRUNE which no doubt would have people telling you how it was last year, or 2 years ago, or 5 or 10 etc etc.

Each school no doubt caters to a certain need, so go in and see which is the best fit for you.

For the RACWA, they have the advance diploma, I got few questions

1- Who teach us through this course(theory part) and what level of experience do they have?

2- How many hours on average do you put after school?

3- Thanks a lot.



Thanks

hey people,
to the above post about RACWA having an advance diploma, i may be wrong but i dont think they have a set course. I am doing the WAAC advance diploma at the moment and we have walk-ins from RACWA ( walk-ins : people who come in for one subject not the whole course )

If you want a structured course i recommend the WAAC.

Some may not... some may, up to you.