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Old 7th Jan 2008, 17:27
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RACWA

HELLO everyone ,

I had a look at RACWA in perth and its really looking good !

Beside that i want to become an airline pilot so complete my CPL/ ME IR ATPL is that a good choice ?

Please your advice would help, i already had a good view from FB_ACE

Thanx in advance
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Old 8th Jan 2008, 13:09
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Yes..........

I would suggest completing your ATPL BEFORE BECOMING AN AIRLINE PILOT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT CHOICE!




Couldn't help it!

English exams start when?
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Old 8th Jan 2008, 13:16
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english exams start when?
march i believe, its a level 4 standard required by casa
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Old 8th Jan 2008, 13:18
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Wrong answer

Actually i was asking about Royal aero club WA

Any advice comment hints feeback about the training the place the reputation etc

"Thanx a lot Airsic i know that"

But what i meant is RACWA is it good for CPL/IR ATPL?

What are talking about the English exam?
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Old 8th Jan 2008, 13:28
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inside joke, kinda...
view http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=307362
about the english exams...
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Old 8th Jan 2008, 13:30
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Oh Dear!
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Old 8th Jan 2008, 23:09
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Yes RACWA is good place and I highly recommend it. I completed my CPL there, and the training they offer is brilliant.

Not sure if they off an ATPL course though, but there are many places that do.

Just worry about your CPL now, then look at the IR and ATPL's.
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Old 8th Jan 2008, 23:09
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yaaaaa...

My advice would be to have a look at ALL the training organisations before commencing to shell out inordinate sums of $$$!! Clubs may have alot to offer in terms of facilities, organised events and social opportunities but beware of getting lost in the numbers and the sausage factory approach to training that may prevail. I have also found you can sometimes wind up being placed with too many junior instructors and stand to gain little practical knowledge over and above the text book training.

Smaller outfits can offer more personalised training, higher grade instructors who may have a broader range of aeronautical experience to pass on during the course of your flying.

I completed my CPL with a smaller company who were willing and prepared to accomodate my specific needs, whereas (unfortunately a poor business decision on their part as I completed my PPL there!) the RACWA informed me under no certain circumstances that it would not be possible to meet my particular training requirements.

Be informed so as to make the right decision, you'll no doubtedly use the same process all through your flying career!!

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Old 9th Jan 2008, 10:50
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".....I completed my CPL there, and the training they offer is brilliant....."
I guess you just don't know what you don't know.
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 15:34
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yeah shop around is all i can say. RACWA is hit and miss. You might get placed with a few very junior instructors who have pretty much no industry knowledge, so it could be like the blind leading the blind. Also if you try hiring a specific aircraft you will need to book quite a bit in advance because the place is so busy.

The are lots of other goods school out there that have very qualified grade one instructors who will be able to offer you better training.
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 19:53
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MFS

hey guyz

What about Moorabbin Flight Service ?

thanx
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 23:54
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Degrees/Diplomas GST free

icecream_pilot, if you are looking at making it a career, why not consider going to a flight training school that offers a degree/diploma course. These courses are GST free. You'll save thousands of dollars (literally) by the time you get all the qualifications you are looking at.

ATO ruling is here: http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.ht...T%20-fre...%3B

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Old 10th Jan 2008, 01:02
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feel free to PM me as I can recommend some good school where you will get value for money with some good instructors and complete your course on time.
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Old 10th Jan 2008, 06:20
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Thumbs up Diversity old chap

I've always been glad that Jandakot has RACWA, it's done well to act as a kind of a black hole and has sucked the vast majority of bland pilots its way. That's not to say that the training is inadequate, it's just always struck me as sterile, bland, overbearing (weird rules) and self-serving.



I did my PPL/CPL down the strip, some tailwheel flying further down the strip, a NVFR in the middle of the strip (massive plug here for Minovation), an initial multi at yet another place up near the RACWA end, a subsequent twin endorsement with yet another mob and then a MECIR at Perth. I do think that it's important to stay at one place for one bit of training (no good jumping around from one school to the next between PPL navs) but perhaps get a bit of knowledge from one group and then go somewhere else for a fresh perspective. Plus you'll get a chance to meet more people who may be just the people you need to get later jobs (read: referees!).


With regards to RACWA, I have gone there and hired/cross-hired their aeroplanes but I cannot comment directly on their instructing style only their product: on average OK but many of them lack a real appreciation of why their aeroplane actually flies (they can explain all of the forces and draw the diagrams but getting them to "fly the wing" smoothly takes time and costs the company money).


Wherever you go have fun and good luck,


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PS To the RACWA folk please understand that I'm just trying to broaden a young person's horizon.

PPS To the RACWA folk again, why must a pilot sign the MR again if it's already been signed two hours before by another fully qualified Private PILOT?

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Old 10th Jan 2008, 10:13
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PPL can only sign the MR for that flight. CPL signature is valid all day
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Old 10th Jan 2008, 10:24
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Hey Icecream,

RACWA, Mmmmm? I agree with the previous person (Sorry no name) bland and boring. Wierd rules inc wierd endorsments but hey, don't let us put you off, it's good to get a very good look at other schools on the strip.

I started at Minovation (Great range of Piper a/c) Then did my CPL at the Aviation Inst, but have been advised it's not there any more! Still, the thing that sold it for me was the friends I met at both schools, it was the most fantastic time of my life and the social aspec was a mojor part of things.....Plus this helps in later in life as eveyone has an opinion in the industry!! On top of this some places (Dare I say it) don't like to employ RACWA pilots on there first job......just something I heard a few times.....Please no Flame throwers!!!

Take a walk around all of them (Schools) and see what they have to offer, have a look at there maintenence hanger, chat to instructors, have a look at there a/c, chat about your plans for the future etc etc, it all helps form an opinion.

YPJT has some really good schools and just because they don't have a flash building does not mean that they are in any means crap or non professional, infact I would have to say from personal experience that I would not choose RACWA but het that's just me, and I have flown there.

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Old 10th Jan 2008, 10:49
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Over and gout,

Do you have a reference for this?

CASA schedule 5 defines the daily inspection, doesn't specify licence type. 42ZE (1) (a) may apply to RACWA, ie if they have an approved system of maintenance other than CASA sched 5 part 1, in which case it would be in their ops manual, but doesn't apply to everyone.

Perhaps someone could also explain why cowl flaps should be opened on final when POH says no such thing, and why a WAC with hand drawn airspace is preferable to the operational document for that airspace ie the VNC?

"Because my instructor told me" is not an answer.
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Old 10th Jan 2008, 11:22
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"Because my instructor told me" is not an answer.

Icecream pilot you really are going to struggle to find comprehensive CPL training at JT, but then again if becoming an airline pilot is more important to you than learning to fly you'll probably fit right in at RACWA.
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Old 10th Jan 2008, 20:45
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PPL can only sign the MR for that flight. CPL signature is valid all day


Where on the MR does it require the person carrying out the DI to specify the type of licence held?
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 00:09
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MR

PPL can only sign the MR for that flight. CPL signature is valid all day
I digress:

SPL signature is valid for one hour and ATPL signature is valid all week.

Now if it's for NVFR then the DI is valid for 2 hours for a NVFR pilot but if a MECIR pilot signs the MR it is valid all night (and until first light despite the fact that its a new day). However if said MECIR pilot is not current but holds a NVFR then it's only valid for 2 hours unless co-signed by a LAME with at least a PPL.

Let us not forget that CAO 88.1.0 Para 78.6(r) (limited distribution) specifies that:

"If said aircraft has tailwheel undercarriage then [all the above] applies with the additional condition that it be well understood that any self-respecting CPL/ATPL who actually re-signs after a perfectly entitled and licenced PPL:
a) march directly across the road (without looking either way before crossing) and
b) find the nearest Pilot Licence holder (not being the holder of a Student Pilot Licence) and
C) declare himself/herself a total [email protected] and
D) pull down his/her dacks and prepare for the cane.


A word of warning, from my reading of the CARs an Offence against CAO 88.1.0 Para 78.6(r) substitutes a breach of Strict Liability (refer to the Criminal Code).

Hey, don't blame me I don't write the rules, I just make them up as I go to suit myself.

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