Air NZ Link - Eagle Air
 

I know this question has most likely been posted here before, but does anyone know the pay rates (Scale) for Eagle Air

Thanks
BB;)

Please bear in mind that this contract expires in Feb next year. But at the moment for a new F/O you would be looking at $37132 plus allowances which would amount to around the 6-7 k mark. For a new Captain, on year 1, it would be $48801 plus allowances.
When you do a command upgrade, under the existing contract, if you are on year 2 f/o pay you go to year 2 captains pay etc...

Always Inverted

Thanks for the info , but please excuse my ignoarnce, but what contract do you mean, I've been out of the NZ loop for some time now and I'm looking at returning.

Thanks
BB

BB,
AI refers to the Collective Employment Agreement, negotiated by the pilot group and ALPA effective Feb 2005 to Feb 2008.
All Air NZ link companies have a CEA, Air Nelson are re-negoitiating theirs at the moment, Eagle will be starting talks soon I guess, Mt. Cook has another year to run on theirs.
Further to AI's post, if you have all your ATPL subjects then you go straight to 3yr F/O pay, currently about $39,800K + allowances (and stay there till you complete 3 yrs or get a command upgrade), if you get a command upgrade in Yr 2 (highly likely) then you will go to actual time served Capt's pay i.e. if you start on Yr3 F/O because you have your subjects you will go to Yr 2 Capt in line with your actual time served. You of course get any annual CPI increases that are agreed to in the CEA, about 3%p.a.

Others financial items that are included:
transport allowance (to get you from home to the airport) = $1800p.a. approx
Uniform upkeep allowance (drycleaning) = $14/fortnight
Phone allowance (so they can call you when you're off duty) = $11 /fortnight
Meal Allowances (earned after each 4.5hrs Duty) = $17
Overnight Allowance = $105 approx (you have to eat dinner and in most cases breakfast from this)
Road Allowance = $0.62 /km (for self drive between bases if rostered)
Callouts (working on your days off / annual leave etc) = 1/175th of base salary

If you grossed up the tax-free allowances (all but callout from memory) then for a standard fortnight of 10 duties incl. 1 meal/duty, transport, uniform and phone then you can add $9.5K to your salary, any overnights and roads are extra, so basically equivalent $49.5K for a new F/O with subjects. Not a bad gig really for your first regional stint.

i enjoyed it immensely and but for a lack of preferred locations would maybe still be there waiting in line for Uncle Koru.... I recommend Eagle to any prospective wannabe

Good Luck

S2K

Thanks S2K

The reason I ask is because I had a phone call from their HR people the other day, no job offer mind you, just a touch base type of call and as I've been out of the NZ loop for sometime , its just good to see what the pay rates are, my only draw back is I don't have all the ATPL subjects yet. but breeze in with their hour requirements.

Cheers
BB

Kia orana Guys/girls...
Just wondering, do Eagle prefer Paper CV's, or are most of their candidates chosen from their StaffCV database?? I have an application with them and i have all ATPL's 1700TT 1350 multi turbine (bandit). Not a whisper from them yet.. :confused: Current job is okay, but the T&C's are getting ridiculous! damn beancounters...

I just used StaffCV

Just what i needed to know, cheers for the pay info, i got a call from Eagle last week for the interviews next month...good luck to all.

Raropilot, i just used staffcv and seemed to work. I have less hours than you so no reason why you wouldn't get a call, maybe soon buddy
:ok:

it wouldn't hurt to put in a follow up call to Robert Jackson or Massey Lynch, if you can catch them.... ++64-7-857-1000

Anyone else got the call up? I got one yesterday, but still deciding....Hard to near impossible for me to take leave in Dec due to it being our busiest time of year. Already short on staff aswell.:ugh:

One question though:

I have all ATPL's and just 18 hrs short on night time for the hours requirements for an ATPL Flight test. Might be better to stay and do ATPL at current job? Then again, pay and allowances are better at Eagle by the looks of it.. What kind of salary am i looking at starting on?? 1700TT over 1350 multi turbine C-Cat etc..:}

Raropilot,

With ATPL subjects you would be on third year pay. FOs can typically expect to take home anywhere between $1350 and $1500 a fortnight. If you get rostered to use your own transport to get to another base for a shift or rostered an overnight then you can add about another $100 per car or overnight. I generally budget on about $1400 a fortnight. Can live quite comfortably in regional NZ on this money if you're single. Other pluses are good progression to command at the moment (about 12 months after being checked to line) and staff travel gets you around the country easily if you get sick of your home base on your days off. 99% of the pilots are good buggers too.

Cheers :}

not exactly correct regarding the car... If you are to do a shift at another base and are required to drive there yourself, you will be reinbursed at a rate of 60 cents/km. Not $100 as has been stated.
As has been stated, generaly good bunch although there are at the moment a few fat head f/o's- relatively new to the company that think that they are above doing the job as per the SOP's, but thats another story. :mad::mad::ugh:
If you get in and do the job it's pretty good, and pay is okay, just the checking system could do with a look-see tho, re chop checks each 6 months with no loft training prior to the day.:ugh:

Raro,
With that time, why don't you just stick the summer out, do your ATPL and wait a couple of months for Air Nelson or Mt Cook to ring? Seems like a no brainer to me... Both are much better options in pay and fly a lot better aircraft to name a couple of the benefits.

Exactly.....autopilot and hostys or handflying and standing outside in the rain...

Raro,

As mentioned above with your hours I'd almost be inclined to stick it out and see what comes up early next year. Do you have an Oz licence?? There's seems to be strong suspicions around the traps that Oz and some NZ airlines will ramp up recruitment and close to 2000TT should get you a look in for an interview. Just a thought...

Always Inverted,

Yes you are quite correct re 62cents/km which generally equates to around $100 for return drive around the central north island e.g. HN-ROT- HN... Yet to do one of those lucrative Gisborne drives though. :}

Chur chur for the replies dudes! !

Some good points there. My thoughts exactly in regards to sticking it out here for another few months... Eagle seems to be a great gig to start off with. But im kinda past the novelty of standing in the rain and briefing pax etc etc hahaha There is the upside of getting to chat up any lovely young ladies on board though:ok:

Have applied to Mt Cook, but no word yet. Gunning for Air NSN really, just need to finish off this application form and send away via snail mail. No shortage of references for EAG or NSN with lots of old instructor mates floating round in both companies.

Think i've got it sussed now! I'll just sit back in Raro for a bit longer until i get something a bit more lucrative..;)

One last thing - How long would one expect to be with NSN before a command at the moment??

Good call Raro,

Ive finally been offered command on the islander so i'm sticking it out in the solly's for a while, but not before going back home soon for some much needed KFC!!. Did you manage to find out any info from NZ CAA about the 750 hrs total F'O time towards ATPL. Damn ill miss beta and reverse on these wet strips:}

Well that would buy you what... a few seconds with the 'lovely young ladies' as they board... both the other two companies have jump seats available ;)

Word on the street a few months ago was that its longer than Mt Cook.

Shot YAX! good machine the islander. Bloody loud though i've heard from people who flew them at mountain air... Whats the Twotter like? Bandit is loudish. Speaking of KFC, i think i'll head down the road now and get a feed :} Taking a few days leave back in Auckland before the xmas rush in Dec:cool:

Well said, Gone down ;)

Im gonna stick it out in Raro for a bit longer... Great lifestyle!

Yea funny you say...all the pilot's that have flown the islander here are deaf, great.. so apart from shoving some plugs in my ears which i don't really want to do, i'm thinking about a noise reduction head set. The otter is damn loud up front but aft of the engines it's not too bad. We getting pretty busy at the mo, tell me..any good beer in Raro?

Cheers:O

Now I am not one to buy into the BS on this site, however...

Islander vs B1900D...For me it would be no question!

Sit it out in the hope NSN calls me, and meanwhile have a chance at EAG...No question!

Standing in the rain vs sitting in the warmth...Okay you have that one, however, if offered EAG and still waiting for the possible call from NSN no question.

Money...Yes better at COOK and NSN, you get that one too. Still as per previous pts, if offered interveiw, go, you can alwyas say no! Why fly '50's tech when you can fly '80's tech......:E

Did my time there, best flying I'll probably ever do! Great experience, good bunch o fly with, pretty good gear, and holds you in pretty good stead for the jets.....:p

My advise do whats best for you, as for being 13 hours shy on nigh hours you'll do that in a winter in good ole NZed!

Might be the ugliest acft but sure was good to fly:ok:

Float Flyer out:cool:

Don't be daft!!!!
3yr $30 000 bond at Eagle just dont go there.
only 18month bond at Chook and NSN and they pay more. You've also got Vincents, Air National, and Airwork-more time off and more money and they need captains
I heard a few newbies resigned to go do that Air India 777 thing and big cheese Wayne made them sign an agreement that they'd pay $1600/month back for their bond - and "No' the bond isn't pro rata from when you start. It drops $10k only on completion of a complete year worked.
The poor lads also got a phone call from Big Brother saying if they didn't sign the agreement then AirNZ would not do the 777 rating for them as planned.

SHAFTED!!! As always in this industry :ugh:

Quite right ...If you sign a bond agreement, expect to pay up if you leave within 3 yrs...any business who makes an investment needs to protect that investment.

I agree hot tuna.

Eagle is a great first airline job, and I wouldn't have any hesitation recommending it. Of course you do have to weigh things up in terms of your own situation and ambitions. I personally don't agree with the 3 year bond, but I can understand why they introduced it, and that's their business. At the end of the day, you guys are the market, if you don't accept the 3 year bond in the current climate, don't go there. There are plenty of people for which 3 years at Eagle would be no major problem, but it is nice to have the flexability to move.

Whatever y'all decide to do, good luck. :ok:

Gwan B Yirheid....

Cant speak for vinnies on T&C but im fairly sure youll be on more at EAG than National.... Take home F/O pay about the same as Airwork granted that you dont work nearly as much with airwork but then..... pay for a Metro rating or get a free B1900 one? then again living in the main centres could be a plus..... Each has its pro's and cons suited to the individual but a bit rich to claim one is better than the other.
So whats the 18month bond worth? I heard a rumour that co's are only actually on circa 25k at NSN until checked to line???? Dont forget to mention year two in EAG youll be on cmmd pay not co pay..... Year three??? Is there anyone in EAG whose been there more than two these days :E

Each to thier own but make sure you have the full story before deciding which is better when someone on pprune says your earn x$ here or there :ok:

Hot Tuna.... Completely agree but i think in the above case (7th hand info I got) it was along the lines "ill pay it back but under my own conditions not yours".

flyby makes a very good point. If you're looking purely at dollars, you would have to stay at Air Nelson for maybe five years before you've earned more dough than at Eagle (assuming a command after one year at Eagle and three years at Air Nelson). Not to mention the value of two crew turboprop command time (unless you're looking at Japan).

Cloud...
I'd disagree with you on a couple of points. I really don't think it would take more than 5 years for an Air Nelson guy to be out paid by Eagle taking into account an early command at Eagle. I thought a FO at Air Nelson was on damm near (if not higher than) a 1st year Eagle command salary? Feel free to correct me, please do if I'm wrong. I also disagree with 'not to mention the value of two crew turboprop command time' What a load of sh*t! Airlines are short of guys the world over, if they want turboprop time that's what they want... not a stinking command on a piece of rubbish 19 seater, they want turboprop time. Command turboprop time has long gone out the window, ATPL's still seem to hold their value however. But with that you can do your ATPL in the sim at Air Nelson from what I understand so that levels the playing field in terms of the getting a command at Eagle point of view.
And as for the 3 year bond RUBBISH... what says someone at Eagle gets a jet interview and start after 18 months which is highly probable. How many FUC*$N years do you think that would put you behind your mate that took an Air Nelson job if he was on that same interview and start? You'll argue that he is now on a higher wage so can pay it back quickly... but if he was an Air Nelson FO he would have been on a much HIGHER wage for that year, and with much less bond he's moons above Eagle.
Eagle in todays climate especially... IS A PIECE OF SH*T!

Whats wrong Gone Down? pretty anti eag???? im sure you were always above it anyway. :rolleyes:

Every job application I have seen has required one to stipulate multicrew time and command time. Some operators place more weight than others on the issue but I think we can both agree a CV looks better with turbo prop command rather than turbo prop co.

Not exactly., If you plan to work for any of the smaller players in OZ you will need 500multi cmmd :ok:

Plenty of happy workers there and plenty more lining up.

To those not in the know EAG have cut many at the interview process, some wrongly so & others deserved: Just watch the following posts. As flyby and cloud suggest look at the finer details that make up the whole package. Gone Down, nobody denied that NSN would be a better pick in the long run, infact Mt Chook would be even better.