BE36 (G36) parked at YBTL today! (Merged)
 

What can I say?

I WANT ONE !

Dr :cool:

(StraightTailedDrKiller ?)
(ConventionalTailedDrKiller ?)

Plane Porn
 

Hell yeah love the g36 well all beechcraft to be honest....
.5mil is the only prob

just went on Beech's web site. They are a nice looking machine.
Like the glass cockpit.
Could have one of them.

Now where we those lotto numbers????

Only $0.5M.........are you sure? I thought they were a tad more than that.

The FTDK will be salivating like one of Pavlov's dogs!:uhoh:

Change the rego numbers and they might not notice the split in the tail:}

J

That'd be 1/2mill US$.

Does it do anything my A36 doesn't do...like polish my knob or something?

:}

Doctor, when you get one can you donate your old one to a charitable cause........ME!!! ;)

"Does it do anything my A36 doesn't do...like polish my knob or something?"

CC - one of the few areas where the Bonanza airframe comes up short is in having the cabin room for in-flight knob polishing as an after market option. While the BE36 will easily carry a knob polisher, in fact it will carry several if your need extends that far, it would be quite difficult to position even one knob polisher to function effectively. :E

In this area, the C210 has it all over the Bonanza!

Dr :cool:

Here's a photo of a G36 at Oshkosh.

Here's a review on aopa.org.

Base price is about USD 650,000.

nice one xhair
 

finally a photo!

if you can afford one, you could probably also afford to have a section of spine removed to enable self-service knob polishing. Then you can always fly solo:}

Thanks Crosshair,

With the base price plus some extra goodies, exchange conversion, GST and some freight/delivery flight etc. I reckon you break into a 7 digit price in Aussie Dollars:eek:.

J

Yeah, A$1M is what I have told the Missus to deduct from any Lotto win!
I figure she's getting a bargain - I used to go on about a TBM850!

Dr :cool:

The G36 price was reduced by 14% in January this year, equivalent to 80 or 90 thousand US. But still s big pile of money

Go the PC-12:ok:

Hang the expense, work will pay the rest:}......perhaps:uhoh:

SQ

If you purchase the new Cirrus Jet for $1 Mil you will be able to get your polishing over alot quicker @ 300 Knots ! :eek:

Still looks like a 1940s hairyplane to me.

The mob I fly with are all Bonanza fanatics and operate three A36s and - until recently - an FTDK. When the V35 was landed on its nose I tried to convince them to buy us a G36 to replace it. Although there was sympathy for my cause the price tag was very off-putting.

There appears to be quite a few Bonanza people crossing their fingers for the Tattslotto numbers!

Walrus

After 60 years of Bonanza production, don't ya think Beech oughta consider a door for the pilot?:8

For a Million Bucks I would want a door!

My Machine has 3 doors and it did not cost anywhere near that much brand new!

J:ok:

HB Pricing Structure
 

Hawker Beechcraft (nee Raytheon) were flogging the G36 for USD$619K give or take a penny depending upon your requirements at the end of 2006. Sold a sh!tload and then reduced the price to USD$579K (again give or take a $) for 2007. Imagine the joy of those who paid the USD$619K plus. Raytheon also did similar last year when they flogged C90GTs for around the USD$2.9m. When asked if they had intentions to fit a glass cockpit the answer was a firm NO! Asked if one could be retrofitted, again a firm NO! Guess what. Have a look at the C90GTi. Can go on and on about HB/Raytheon and their pricing structures. Unfortuneately their professionalism leaves a lot to be desired particularly when one compares them to Cessna.

The G36 is still a 62 year old design. Not taking the p!ss about its performance on anything, just pointing out a fact.

"Still looks like a 1940s hairyplane to me"

.... and the A380 and latest Boeings look like 1950's designs to me!

".... until recently - an FTDK. When the V35 was landed on its nose ....."

Walrus - I assume that was VH-FWE. Bloody tragedy. I used to get around NW Qld in that aeroplane in 1974.

".... don't ya think Beech oughta consider a door for the pilot?"

I guess the thing that sets the Bo apart from other similar aircraft is the fact that most pilots don't want to get out of them, hence no need for a pilot's door! :ok:

Dr :cool:

What is all this crap about 62 year old design?

The original BE36 came out in 1968...that is 40 years. The basic airframe hasn't changed in that time but everything else about it has...engine/prop/avionics/interior layout...so the shell design hasn't changed? Probably because it was near perfect...those features that were deemed less than as good as they could be were changed in 1980..the throw over yoke and ergonomically less than wonderfull engine control layout.

It is still in prodUction because it is a GREAT aircraft...if the V35 was still being built you might have an argument for a '62 year old design' but it isn't because it, while very sexy to look at, was not a great aeroplane.

What has come along that is as good or better, on any level, than an A36?

That goes as fast and carries as much and is built as strongly and that has the safety features?

A Cirrus?

Good aeroplane but it has the same engine/prop and avionics and 2 less seats...it's a little faster and that is all...the BRS is interesting but I don't find it compelling. The only thing 'modern' about the Cirrus is the airframe construction materials.

And don't say C210...they predate the A36.

FTDK,

Absolutely I am talking about FWE. Everyone attached to that plane was devastated. She was a handful at speed but more fun to fly than the A36. A real sportscar and well looked after. I don't subscribe to Chuckles' view that the BE35 was never a great aeroplane. Only two aircraft were named amongst the 100 greatest designs of the 20th century; the DC3 was one and the FTDK was the other.

I am suffering from V35 withdrawal.

Walrus

Walrus they are very good aeroplanes...once they fixed the tail so it wouldn't fall off...and with a yaw damper installed...and with a turbonormaliser to move the CofG forward (or a lead weight but at least the TN gives you something besides a better CofG)...and with tip tanks to give you the usefull load to use all the seats once the CofG is controlled...the TN gives you more TOW too.

With all those things done they are a GREAT aircraft...as they left the factory they were just a VERY sexy, fast 3 seater that makes the back seater a little airsick in turbulence.:ok:

"...as they left the factory they were just a VERY sexy, fast 3 seater that makes the back seater a little airsick in turbulence.:ok:"

True story, except for "makes the back seater a little airsick in turbulence".

The V-tail Bo will make the back seater VERY airsick in turbulence!

Many a puke was had in the back seat of FWE when it operated out of Cloncurry!

Dr :cool:

Chimbu Chuck

I never thought the day would come when I would correct you on Bonanza knowlege, so ....I hope like heck I am right.....coz the beers at the aero club next time you are in town are on the loser!

I have a DVD One Six Right, and I swear there is a very early Bo in that and its just post war, so I just thought I would do some homework, and 60 years is true!

Now a fair bit may have changed of course from those days to the 60's of the unforked tail, but it seems the Bo is a very proud 60 this year!:D

When you in town next:E?

Cheers
J

Sic him Chuck!

Dr :cool:

Hey DOC,

I think you are actually on my side of the bar on this one, so get back over here ya big chicken......at least so I can have help in paying the bar tab at the end IF I get dusted!:ouch:

J:suspect:

One Six Right
 

Hey Jaba,

Is that DVD any good? I saw a copy (and the soundtrack?!) on eBay recently but a google search didn't tell me whether or not it was worth buying, except mention of some interesting aerial cinematography.

LP

PS Never EVER thought I'd see FTDK or Chuckles corrected regarding a Bo...:eek:

McQuack, it is very good. Very moving stories and wonderful stories, and a message to all about the shrinking available GA airports and ALA's.

For say $30 its well worth it. I have a big theatre, and all the sound gear and the music is awesome....crank it up!!

J

re: One Six Right
 

Gotcha...I now own a copy, assuming it doesn't go 'missing' in the post. Somebody else can buy it off me once I've seen it, any takers?

Back on topic, there is a mint Bo that passes through my way from time to time but no idea of the reg...it's a private hack for a bloke who lives in 2 cities on my Island...it's a hard life for some :{

Chuckles, check your PMs!

LP

FWIW:

Designed by a team led by Ralph Harmon, the original model 35 Bonanza was the first truly modern high-performance personal aircraft: a very fast, all-metal, low-wing monoplane at a time when most light aircraft were still made of wood and fabric. The model 35 featured retractable landing gear and its signature V-tail, which made it both highly efficient and the most distinctive private aircraft in the sky. The prototype 35 Bonanza made its first flight on December 22, 1945, with the first production aircraft debuting as 1947 models.

In 1982 the V-tail Bonanza was dropped from production, though more than 6,000 V-tail models are still flying today. In general aviation circles, the epithet "fork-tailed doctor killer" became a familiar denigration of the V-tail model. The phrase plays on Luftwaffe references to the Lockheed P-38 Lightning as the "fork-tailed devil," but it mainly derides physicians' perceived lack of piloting experience (due to little spare time available) and a tendency to buy expensive high-performance planes that are a poor fit for inexperienced pilots. Many model 35 Bonanzas are still flying, and they command a premium price on the used aircraft market. A V-tail Bonanza that is in compliance with all of the pertinent Airworthiness Directives is a safe aircraft which is coveted by pilots worldwide for its performance, handling, speed and comfort.

"A V-tail Bonanza that is in compliance with all of the pertinent Airworthiness Directives is a safe aircraft which is coveted by pilots worldwide for its performance, handling, speed and comfort."

... it is effectively a 3 seater aircraft - a very nice, fast 3 seater but a 3 seater none-the-less!

Dr :cool:

That wouldn't be ZK-UTE by any chance? That is a nice Bonanza. There is another DDG? in the same area which is very nice too.

Give me a Comanche 260C any day, more room than a Bo, nearly as fast, good payload, fantastic range with tip tanks, and no wing attachment issues, and better looking to boot. We could just get a real mans aircraft the Comanche 400, now that is a classic aircraft.

Standing back with hard hat on!!!!!!!!!! :)

I checked google, and for the second time tonight it let me down. ZK-UTE came up as an ag machine that had an accident. The machine I have in mind is immaculate, the owner obviously takes a lot of pride in it. I do recall seeing some aerial pics of it in a Pacific Wings magazine a year or two ago.

Yes, a Crunchie 260C may have a little more room...and good payload...although "better looking to boot" is debateble! := There are 2 other issues with the Crunchie as well;

1. It IS slower, if only by a few knots...
2. It's not a Bonanza :E

LP

"Give me a Comanche 260C any day"

No comment, really! Well maybe a couple.

One of the few common SE lighties that I have not flown - along with the Arrow, would you believe.

Always liked the look of the Comanche.

There was a 400 based in Townsville for years - never managed to get my hands on it.

I understand that the thought of the 400 was better than the reality!

Dr :cool:

Yes Jaba the 35 series, and the name Bonanza, is 62 years old but the A36 and E33 designs are not...the E33 (mid 60s) was originally called a Debonair but they decided to rename it Bonanza at some point...late 60s I believe, about the time the 36 was designed in 1968.

While obviously similar, the original V tailed 35 has as much in common with an A36 as an early model C182Rg has with a C210R. Even the V35B is longer in the fuselage than the original 'short bodied' Bonanza 35s.

For starters, after stretching the A36 fuselage 18in, over and above the late model 35 stretch, they also mounted it further forward on the wing (which fixes the CofG issues) and the undercarriage, while similar, is off a Baron/T34 Mentor (designed to be Navy trainee pilot proof). In fact the B36TC has a Baron wing as well which gives it good high alt performance.

So is the G36/A36 Bonanza a 62 year old design?

I don't fecking think so:ok::}

How to make something that is perfect even better:

http://www.pilotjournal.com/content/...tradewind.html

And here is a pic:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1233635/M/

27/09...In your dreams.

And then 400nm later you will be landing for fuel in the 400 Comanche. And the 260C with full fuel, including tips, carries two skinny pilots and a brief case...all be it for close to 9hrs...put tip tanks on my Bo and it will carry 4 100kg bums and 100kg of bags for 7+hrs at 166kts...and a damn site more comfortably than any Piper.:ok:

Had a look at the new G36 recently, looks the bees knees, state of the art cockpit and a sweet handling airframe thats been around long enough that its a known thing, just pity the engine is not state of the art. However Antlantic Aero have a fix for that with a STC for the implant of an IO-550N and a new cowl. Same hp but the tuned induction system and crossflow heads give it a significant fuel ecconomy advantage.

With regard to reminiscing about the FTDK, perhaps thar should be a mod for the G36 to replace its conventional tail with a V:ok:

I'd buy it! (Well, I'd need money first, but when i had the cash I'd buy it)

Arrr!

*Dons flame proof jacket as a precaution*:ouch: