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questionmark 9th Jun 2007 06:54

Chieftain off the end of the runway at YSBK
 
Heard VH-HJK ran off the end of the runway at YSBK this morning in crappy weather during take-off.

das Uber Soldat 9th Jun 2007 07:22

im amazed they even tried it in the conditions we had today. Snapped the nose wheel right off. Oh well. Hopefully everyone is ok.

The Messiah 9th Jun 2007 07:32

I wonder if the crew door popped open at about Vr and he/she tried to abort on a very wet runway?

There will be one very angry German.:ouch:

kookabat 9th Jun 2007 08:00

Saw some footage of the aftermath on Ch 7 this arvo.

Bugger!! :eek:

Jet_A_Knight 9th Jun 2007 10:42


im amazed they even tried it in the conditions we had today.
Commercial ops don't stop just because of crosswind and rain.

K3nnyboy 9th Jun 2007 15:45

Hope they're okay~~:rolleyes:
yea Friday forecast was nasty....had the freezing level of 6000 or something...I was meant to be flying on Saturday the 9th, in a BE76 out of YSBK.
HAHA....Commercial Ops, that's what my instructor used to say, but my commercial ops is safety first!!:E

btw...does anyone know whether the pilot was aborting the T/O? the runway should be long enough for it to take-off i guess at YSBK.

Howard Hughes 9th Jun 2007 23:27


I feel sorry for whoever was flying last night (friday), I heard two different a/c couldn't tell through the noise of the wind and rain but sounded like light twins or small turbo-props outbound (I think) over YSRI one at about 01.30 and another about 02.20 to 02.40ish in the morning, howling winds and bucketing rain, I think yesterdays Area forecast had Sev Turb and icing quite low throughout most of the area. Wouldn't like to have been flying in it!
Sorry to wake you Doctor but that was me, inbound on the ILS, then outbound a little later!;)

Luckily I managed to bypass Willy!:eek:

Worked both thur/fri and fri/sat nights, boy I am gonna enjoy my days off this weekend!:ok:

OpsNormal 9th Jun 2007 23:48

Willy ILS was indeed interesting on Friday morning Howie. The more interesting part was trying to taxi in and then out again later with that wind on the go.

kimwestt 10th Jun 2007 01:38

The Messiah !!!!!!!!!
 
Aaaarrrrgggghhhh - - All you pilots are sending me broke:{:ugh:

EK777-200LR 10th Jun 2007 02:55

HJK
 
Any more news about HJK. I used to fly the old girl a while ago. Does anyone know what happened.

Thanks
EK777

bizzybody 10th Jun 2007 05:05

Jet_A_KnightQuote:


"Commercial ops don't stop just because of crosswind and rain."


How many arcraft do you actually own!!???

it does and did stop for all my aircraft.
Given the conditions, i think they are bloody stupid for even trying it. Wind gusting to 55kts crosswind max 35kts according to ATIS?? you are kidding me, why bother!!!! insurance or no insurance, i would still loose a couple of thousand in charters over loosing a chieftain for a few months due to repairs that should not really be needed.

Mr. Hat 10th Jun 2007 05:20

No but they farkin stop when the plane is missing a nose wheel.

Jet_A_Knight 10th Jun 2007 11:17

I don't own any aeroplanes - I just own the arse that's strapped to them!:E

There are going to be quite few eyes opened in the next while. With the drought the last few years, plenty of pilots haven't seen real bad weather before.

At the end of the day, if your aeroplane, conditions,ability or combination of any isn't/aren't up to it - make a command decision & don't fly.

It's that simple.

bizzybody 10th Jun 2007 11:29

good point about the drought though Jet :ok:

I dont know actually what happened to the aircraft in question but i would be interested in knowing.

bizzybody 11th Jun 2007 03:07

landing i thought but thats only from the info from this thread

kimwestt 11th Jun 2007 07:37

Dr Oakenfold
 
IF.. you are on rwy centre (as per ops manual) and at the right speed, and touch down at the right spot, you nearly have to ADD power to get to the rwy end for a roll thru ldg (as per co ops!!)

The Messiah 11th Jun 2007 08:24

I thought the first post said 'during take-off'?

bizzybody 11th Jun 2007 08:25

never seen a Chieftain use up all of centre before for landing... come close of take off though

Desert Flower 11th Jun 2007 12:10


Was he on T/O or landing?

It was a she not a he.

DF.

The Messiah 12th Jun 2007 03:57

Well Desert Flower fill in the blanks for us, what happened?

onthemoveallover 12th Jun 2007 04:26

It was a she....
She shouldn't have flown on that day,
She should've cancelled like she did the day before.
Like someone mentioned before, She hasn't seen real weather.
The weather wasn't the problem on the day in question.
The skill of the pilot should be questioned.

Sure she might now the theory, rules and regs but can she fly?

The answer can be found in the nose wheel

Howard Hughes 12th Jun 2007 04:34

Look if you are gonna be like that, why not have the guts to post under your normal nic?:rolleyes:

K3nnyboy 12th Jun 2007 05:56

Channel 7 "said" it was during a T/O....
regarding the pilot, even though I still belief safety is first. I guess she had her reason to takeoff that day, since she had already cancelled her previous flight.

Jet_A_Knight 12th Jun 2007 06:45

onthemoveallover


Like someone mentioned before, She hasn't seen real weather
I mentioned the weather - and it was not directed implicitly at this pilot.


?

BackdoorBandit 13th Jun 2007 03:35

Oh dear, we are all getting a bit twitchy now - ducking and weaving.

Come on, I want to know what happened - don't be scared. Its not like it's the first time some one has wrecked an a/c, by combining poor judgement, poor weather and insufficient flying skills.

coops 13th Jun 2007 04:20

Ok, what I heard from the engineers. Was during the take-off roll. Pilot noticed the there was no acceleration on airspeed so decided to abort the run. Guess she was carrying more speed than she thought.
I also have a a pic of aircraft. If anyone can host it send me a msg and will Email it.
Cheers
Coops :ok:

kimwestt 13th Jun 2007 05:25

Coops
 
Woodn't have anything to do with a pitot cover? Was the airspeed or lack of it referenced against the GPS - just a thought.
Coops - anything to do with marine creatures?

coops 15th Jun 2007 06:45

kimwestt
 
Dont think it was the pitot cover, Think they might be leaning towards water in the lines. It did have an airspeed but not a great deal ie 60kts so she tried to pull it up.

Coops

Bendo 25th Jun 2007 13:16

How many times has that aircraft been pranged?
When it was with Burger King Airlines (Cirrus) it was gutsed at Parkes - and wasn't it pranged again shortly after that? :suspect:





....lucky it came to rest on that pallet though, that will make it much easier to pick it up with a forklift :}

TurboOtter 27th Jun 2007 08:51

Do you think it'll buff out???

Friction Nut 27th Jun 2007 10:34

Yeah... DS has buffed out worse than that before!!!!


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