Still to many Pilots?
 

Are there to many pilots?

An earlier thread.

Quote: REX.

I have found the following:

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1) IFR regs (obviously)
2) Conversions and whiz wheel
3) Technical knowledge exam / test. (covering company equipment?)

Any more information, or specifics on what I have above would be much appreciated.

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They must have a lot of applicants.

This post gave me a hard on

Too many pilots who can't spell?

Not to mention composing posts that make sense!;)

"Not to mention composing posts that make sense!"

too right. what the hell is this thread about? :confused:

Whilst the meaning of this thread remains a little confusing...I would have to agree with the thread title.
Yes there are waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy too many pilots !!!
The shortage is a myth

the price of eggs in china just went up :p

I believe the pilot shortage exists in the middle ground between the 747 and the 210 because of a reduction of twin hours being flown in general aviation.

The days of the bank runners in the baron or 310 are over, or very nearly over.

Then theres the rise of the mighty 208b caravan taking the place of the piston twin. While some airlines recognize single turbine time but others are stuck in the past and are still requiring x hundred hours twin.
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Quote: MAX.
I have lost the following
1)checklists
2)flight planning
3)cao 48
They didn't have any applicants

So where do I go with my 10,000 hours and 4,000 of jet command time? Because as far as I can work out, ain't nobody hiring, not for command at any rate.

Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, but as far as I can tell, the only real option is off to Euro-land where there is a major shortage on some types.

I'd be interested to know where all the vacancies are...

4000 hrs command on what romeok?

If it is on a bae146 yes I can see that would be a problem if you are not prepared to sit in the rhs of something for a year or two...but if it is anything built by Boeing or Airbus you must be kidding if you truly believe what you posted.

How does Asia, India and the ME sound...and not forgetting Europe...all terribly short of experienced widebody and narrowbody jet type rated captains.

Word on the street is that VB have been told by CASA that DECs are going to be a requirement to crew their expansion plans...they don't have the depth of experience required to promote from within and keep CASA happy.

Truly awful, to be honest.

Not quite as awful, but I did my 20 years there and enough's enough.

I'm talking about NZ, or Oz if I lower my standards a bit... :p

Yes it was a 146, but so what? If there is truly an experience shortage, as there was in the UK in the late '80s, the type rating is irrelevant. The golden currency is experience, and preferably a good training record, and a nil accident/incident history, all of which I have. I've spent enough time in 737 sims to know that there are no particularly difficult bits for 146 guys, if anything the Boeing is a lot simpler and easier to manage, once you get your head around the pitch/power couple.

When I went to the UK in the late '80s, with my 701 hours, I had "yes" letters from 48 different airlines (few of which exist any more), and the one I eventually went to not only paid for my type rating, they paid for my UK Instrument Rating and CPL flight tests as well (that's about GBP8,000 worth of flying). I was a jet training captain within 8 years of sitting my CPL flight test.

So you'll excuse me if I find this talk of a "shortage" a little hard to swallow...

Money shortage
 

What they mean is there is a shortage of people who are qualified, experienced, type rated, and able to go to work immediately, at no cost to the airline. They do not want to spend money on training and testing, or pay high wages.
It's all to do with money.
Just like GA

Agreed bushy.

In my part of Australia they complain of a labour shortage, yet when you look at job advertisements most want employees with high levels of experience or qualifications. The hospitality industry is one of the loudest with their complaints. When you are willing to take the time and effort to train and improve your employee's skills and you still cannot find staff, that is a shortage.

Precisely. And in NZ, the "shortage" is talked up by the flight training industry in an effort to increase their revenues, a cynical act as it only makes the job hunt harder for the newbies. But then they don't care about that, do they...

Whoever in CASA has that opinion is obviously need of superannuating fast because he is obviously living in a different world. Virgin Blue first officers and captains are some of the most highly experienced at flying real aeroplanes in the Western world. I would back their skills anytime against the clowns in command of jets in Asia and Europle and the Middle East.

Oh oh, watch out... lots of Aussies in command of those jets, like Chimbu Chuckles I think... or is he still an F/O after all these years... ;)

Even more reason not to want to fly in the Third World. The levels of discrimination and nepotism in most of the airlines there is beyond belief.

Tee Emm takes the award for the dumbest comment in the history of PPRUNE :ugh: :ugh: :ugh: :ugh: :ugh: :ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

Thank yew, thank yew, thank yew...Deal with it.

Remoak - speaking specifically of Australia;

With respect, if you are not willing to sit in the RHS of a new type, why would they want to hire you? They are hiring FOs at a high rate, but thats as far as this shortage goes.

Because in the real world (ie outside Oz/NZ), you get hired in the rank that you hold, unless moving to a much larger type, or unless you are an inexperienced captain.

So, for example, when I did my Easyjet sim check and interview, I was offered a direct entry command on the 737, and I had the same offer from Ryanair. That was at a time when I only had about 1000 jet command hours.

The same holds true in the contract world. Even some larger airlines, such as Emirates, hire captains for captains slots.

It is mostly in the South Pacific that you get this "must join at the bottom" bull. It is a rite of passage in OZ/NZ aviation, with no logical basis.

More to the point, if there was really a shortage, there would be no requirement to put highly experienced commanders in the RHS.