Chuck - as usual, your intelligent, thought-out and experienced opinions are a pleasure and an education. Thanks.:D

Chumbu chuckles
 

I will be starting ab initio training in January, sights set on ATPL.

Any chance you're going to open your own flying school? :ok:

Training I can buy by the truck load, experience like yours ... not so easy to find.

Thanks for the posts.

ABX

Chuckles,
Serious question - have you written anything of note? Any articles or even books?
What you scratch out here is interesting, entertaining and informative. You could do some stuff in industry magazines etc... if so inclined.
You and some of your fellow PPruners could put together a great book.
Serious.
Di :)

Try a Google search for 'Pelicans Perch':ok:

Don´t confuse John Deakin at Pelican´s Perch with Chimbu Chuckles at Pprune. Different characters. Both good gen men though.

So has anybody heard what happened yet?

From the ATSB weekly summary

During the takeoff from runway 27 in
crosswind conditions, the aircraft was
unable to generate sufficient power to
sustain flight. The aircraft was destroyed
when it impacted water during the forced
landing.

Something wrong.
 

Something is very wrong here. Aircraft do not behave like that for no reason.

You are so right. I'm sure the ATSB weekly summary isn't the end of the investigation...

:rolleyes:

I am assuming they mean the engines were "unable to generate sufficient power to sustain flight".

Only two things I can think of that would result in this. Mechanical failure in both engines or fuel starvation to both engines.

Hello

firstly, I am not a pilot, merely a friend of one of those in the crash.
I found this forum whilst doing a search for more infomation.

Here is the email I got from said friend after the incident. Some of the
speculation on here, I find a bit off to be be perfectly honest. Blaming
the pilot without knowing what actually happened is a disgrace in my opinion.

[/quote="c"]
Hi Everyone,
Just to let you know that Wade and I and my cousins Jody and Matthew and their partners Gary and Kym, were in a light aircraft plane crash on Sunday. We all survived but crashed just after take off from about 500m. The plane lost power and dropped like a stone and snapped in two. Wade and I were pinned in the wrekage and had to be cut out of it. Wade was airlifted to hospital and has a huge gah to his right leg that went to the muscle. He will need plastic surgery and a lot of care for about a month. We both had our legs crushed and have cuts and bruises all over, but we are alive and didn't think we could survive. The mental scars will torture us for a lot longer. Hopefully the link above will tell you the story from the news point of view. The pictures of the plane are horrendous and we made headline news and the front page! The things you have to do to become famous!
Anyway,
Will email soon if this bloody thing will work. Having problems with gmail, hotmail and work mail so have given up!
x
Claire

[/quote]

Regards

Matthew

WOW, Muttley. :yuk:

Easy to throw stones isn't it?

Lets see you write an informative post that might teach the green horns something constructive.

Or perhaps, as your bio suggests, you waddled in early this morning after a big night and thought, "A bit of PPRuNe therapy might sober me up."

There was one good bit in your post, this

made me laugh.

Muttley, f@rk you're good.
Has it ever occurred to you to read your post before submitting? Whaddya say your age was again?
Wish I was 17.

May I respectfully suggest you re-read this thread because I don't think you've quite got the gist of it.

Go easy on Muttley, there is an element of truth to what he says.

there is truth. I think chimbu has flown fast jets for two long personally. I would hate to have been the bloke at the controls on this day. Although personally i would have tried to fly straight for as long as i could until i had some positive climb, rather than turning back, but then who knows what you would do under stress.

At least nothing more tragic happened!


4S

Party, C400 series, PA31 of sorts... climbing on one, fully loaded on a hot day? Yeah right - Get real. :sad: :(

Finally we have some realistic pilots! Chimbu, when was the last time you flew a clapped out charter multi piston heavily loaded on a hot day? Like Muttley said, it appears they have definately weatherd a lot since you flew them.:hmm:

Mutley, reality thanks.

Lets get the manuals out and see what each type could do out of Rottness.
Queen Air, B58, Duchess, Cieftain, Navajo, Seminole, C404 / 402 / 340 / 310 / 303, Ac500 Aerostar ect all without vortex generator mods.

To keep it simple lets go with 15 degree's, Mtow and efato after gear / flap retraction.
From this we can progress to the effects of elev temp ect.

Then we can plot whether we could get back around to land or go to Perth to land.

This will help those who are flying twins older than them selves.

hmmm...I thought I had made it clear enough I was speaking generally and trying not to pre judge the Rottnest Island accident:ugh:

Muttley you're entitled to your opinion...I disagree.

I have had engine failures in C182, C185, Bn2, C402, Aerostar and Bae 146.

All ended well.

Never mentioned anything about Top Guns. Yes we have all seen pilots pass checks when they shouldn't have...but as to me passing people I didn't deem competent to carry my family?

Not one, not EVER.

Not even close to being the only...when you have been sacked as a CP (twice) for standing up for what is right then you come back and lecture me....until then I would really rather you didn't call me a liar:rolleyes:

Mutts
 

Good on you mate, you do read different when you're off the sauce.

:ok:

ABX