ASIC's
 

Any ideas on the speed of issuing these cards? I know there was some logistical problems early on. Have these been sorted?

Have you applied yet?

If not have you been living in a remote mountain top cave the last 6 mths?:ok:

Plan on 3+ mths....better yet PRAY!!:{ :ugh: :cool:

Any ideas on how much longer those of us who aren't Aussie born and bred will take to get one? I applied in November and haven't heard anything yet except for a letter telling me that they are jolly busy and everyone is working very hard to get them out at some undefined point in the far future.

Getting my AVID & photo license issued seemed to take an absolute eternity - I shudder to think how much longer this might take :ugh:

Paul.

my application went throughon the 1st of August! :hmm: So keep waiting paulthornton!

ASIC & Photo Licence
 

don't hold your breath - I first applied Jan 18th, 2005 and have updated my paperwork in line with C'wealth Gov't (AFP) demands and all I get from my follow up phone calls is " there is a big que and we are working through it" so go figure...??
With March looming and NO photo ID or ASIC card it is going to be fun getting onto and aound by private air

gr...gr...gr...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Arrrggghhh
 

Arrrggghhh me maties,

Try taking to the high seas.....no casa, no asics, in fact i'll let you all in on a little secret.....I not even a real sea captain!

Let strong winds always fill your sails!

Arrgghhh

Suggestion
 

Why don't we all just tell them to stick it up their A***s and forget the whole thing. You'll probably wait for another year.

D6

From CASA and I quote" Yeah there suppose to be all out in the mail by the end of March, but I don't know, and that's what we have to tell everybody".
So I paid over $100 for a stinkin service that nobody knows. My medical, I pay over $100 dollars again and it arrives 2 days after my 2 months DAME extension expired. Great circus they got going. Stick ya service up ya rrrrssss.

I would'nt blame CASA for any of this crap! They are merely attempting with the resources that they have to implement decisions made by the idiots whom inhabit the place which might best be described as 'Cowards Castle' in Canberra.

You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.

Yep, submitted licence application late October and form 639 (the ASIC one) the day after it got sent out. Like everyone else, still waiting. Apparently the bottleneck is at ASIO/AFP, not CASA though the net result is still the same. Recently rang CASA and they told me to write in. No reply yet. No hope really either...

Same boat.

Pinky's onto it.

Kid you people not. We put two ASIC applications in in very late Dec and we got them this week. There is no rhyme nor reason when compared to some of the tales of woe, but that is what happened. We got them back quite quickly.

However, did put a photo lic application in Sept last year and still waiting.

Gday
Anybody want to take up a book, betcha about half way though March the wackers will realise they are pissing into the wind and will extend the deadline till god knows when. But we have to protect ourselves. Had a look around Warrnambool the other day nice high pool fence around the terminal but if you wish to enter the tarmac area just walk around the hangars and step over a 2’6” chain barrier, what a load of crapp.
Just remember the majority voted these idiots in at the last election so we just have to put up with them.
Have a nice day.
Cheers Q :{

Do you honestly think it would have been any different if the other lot were in power??

I can't even remember when I sent the ASIC application in.I think it was early November. Nothing yet ,and I'm not expecting anything in the near future. Do have the AVID though -lucky me.
Pinky is correct in that this is not CASA's doing.
Some mental giant decided that if they issued a photo licence,then an AVID card and then an ASIC card ,this would be the most effficient way to combat terrorism in this country. They then go and lob all this on CASA and tell them to get it sorted by Dec. 2005.
How anyone could sit back, seriously look at this, and then say to themselves "well that'll work", has got me beat.

The clock keeps on ticking as March looms near and the majority is yet to get their pathetic political passes.

Once the dead line passes what are those people, that are still to receive them, going to do? Give up their jobs, past times and way of life?

I for one won't bat an eyelid when it comes to rocking up to an airport that is supposedly (according to who?) at an elevated risk of terrorism?

If I need to........ NO BUGGER THEM......... WANT TO........ go to Coffs for the weekend or Dubbo for the day then I'm going to! ASIC or not.

All pilots need to band together on this issue.

WE HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG HERE PEOPLE!!!

We've done what was required of us. We've filled in the forms (on several occasions for some) we've payed our money, we've waited long enough!

When will mine turn up??????? Don't care!!!! Just don't expect me to wear it until I get it, ya big bunch of dumb rrrrses!!


You know it makes sense!

VB

Yes, still waiting for mine too...not holding my breath.

My cynical side expects that if the deadline is not extended past March, you can bet your bottom dollar that on 1 April, CASA inspectors will be at those nominated airports in droves.

Perhaps something to consider.

:{

VB - hear, hear !!!

If we put up with this, soon they will tell our employers not to let you fly till you have it. I fear that day might come. I can only hope not.

D6

But D6 imagine the bun fight if DOTARs tried that little number on the employers?

It's one thing to make the lives of your employees a little more stressfull but quite another to restrain trade because of beaurocratic incompetence....I'd laugh myself hoarse if, come Mar 31, DOTARs were so stupid...it would be hillarious.

Gday 185skywagon
Givus a break I won’t get into that argument, but if those others ever get back in I think suicide seems the logical step, been there before and hopefully never again.
I still reserve the right of my opinion of those that are in with decisions like this rubbish that we have put up with.
I still reckon in a couple of weeks we will get another extension for a long time.
On another subject anyone got a link to this very naughty cartoon that’s got those that we need to be protected from, got very upset about.
Cheers Q

Cartoons?????
 

Try the Blogg: http://timblair.net no w's

Chuckles - yep, I can just imagine the bun fight if they impose that. But then again, it worries me as they are so stupid, it might actually happen.


D6

<18
 

If your under 18, theres no need for one right?

Correct, you will still need an AVID though.

If you are 17 years and 364 days old you are not a security threat, if you are 18 years and 1 day old then you may very well use an aircraft in anger.

I am under 18 and have still sent away for one. Waiting a while, but didn't have to pay. But does that mean when i do turn 18 i only have to pay for the re-newal???

It's possible you've only applied for a student pilot licence, not an AVID, due to your age. You may want to clarify your application with CASA because this is a very grey area (whether they give AVIDs to under 18s).

Chances are you'll have to re-apply when you turn 18, but be aware that any delay in getting your AVID will stop you flying solo.

Common sense suggests that you wouldn't need to apply for another ASIC once you turn 18 since you are still the same person.

That's common sense.....

In other words get ready to apply, wait, re-apply, pay, wait some more all over again for another piece of plastic that insures that you’re not a terrorist. (Cause terrorists wouldn't have thought about getting an ASIC and that's how we can tell who the baddies are!!)


You know it makes sense!

VB

Anyone know if any professional pilot has ever been refused an ASIC?. How about any private pilots?. If not, then why weren't all pilots issued with a temporary one automatically (like airside groundstaff) and then go through the security check procedure rather than extend deadlines for pilots without an ASIC which has the same effect.

You got that right Pinky - don't blame the staff, they got lumbered with all this stuff from `the suits' up top.

You have to laugh... or you'd strangle someone
 

Got a call from CASA this morning telling me thay can't process my ASIC application because "the system shows the photographs are more than 6 months old" - please get new photos certified and fill in page 3 again and send it to CB.

It's so long since I applied for the ASIC my memory is hazy, but I don't think I sent them any pix because I already had a recently issued AVID so the form said that was all they needed. Any way - if they hadn't taken so long to get round to processing my application, the pix wouldn't be 6 months old!

I'm tempted to tell them "no thanks - I'd like my money back" - I note my credit card was debited the fee last month. Might be waiting even longer for that,though.

What a complete, incompetent farce! :*

Similar experience, RV6.

Applied for AVID with current ASIC. Told ok but going to bottom of pile as already ASIC holder. By the time it worked its way to the top of the pile, ASIC expired, apply again.

Except, despite following all their instructions to the letter, they would not tell me exactly why I had to apply again. Just given some hazy answer about my ASIC not being "right".

Followed progress week by week.

Application languished for several weeks prior to going to the AFP.

Application languished for several weeks upon return from AFP.

Expect ASIC application to be handled in a similar manner.

i appled for mine way back in MAY 05, in mid december, still no joy, nothing, rang CASA and told my application was LOST..:mad: :mad: :mad: its not a pleasent feeling knowing some arseh0le beaurocrat has all my personal details somewhere!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
security check passed for my Dept of defence ID, alls well there, but thats not good enough for CASA/DOTARS! after being told i have to resubmit all my paperwork, i have decided to fu(k em all. havnt even bothered thinking about getting a new ASIC/AVID im pretty sure my DoD card will get me past the brainless rent a cop drop outs.

And if it doesn't then at least you can get into the armory to vent some anger. :E :}

If this happened in any other industry there would be a public scandal. Imagine the same thing happening to all those boaties out there, or commercial fishing licences, or truck drivers licences, or taxi drivers licences. There would be blockades, demonstrations, media pieces...instead, silence.

Currently waiting 4 months for my licence to be issued.

TLAW you are correct.

The operational side of this industry cops it hard, be it politically, bureaucratically, in the media, etc etc.

Perhaps it is because to them, we seem to like it. Or at least don't mind it.:rolleyes:

The regulator has us; they can pull our tickets. In several ways, now.

Management has us; they can sack us and have us replaced by the end of the day.

Govt. has us; just like they have everyone else.:yuk:

Currawong, I agree...... we're totally screwed.

Maybe we should all send them a letter to the pollies how farcical this idea is and how it is affecting all of us. Guys, it's just a matter of time till someone loses a job or gets affected severely because of this non sense they have imposed on us.

Or maybe I should take this to A Current Affair or Today Tonight and see what their reaction is. This is a total insult to us. First they brand us as possible terrorists for imposing this on us, then they take our money as a revenue exercise, puts unnecessary pressure on the AFP, and then stuff us around with their incompetence and red tape. How stupid can this get ?... this is getting beyond the joke.

The AFP is suppose to be working to find sleeper cells of terrorists and not checking pilots who I might add are the actual targets if they manage to breakdown or get in through the cockpit door.


D6

April 1, what an entirely appropriate day.:ok:

Pity the new PPLs......

Their licenses are being withheld until the ASIC comes through....we all know how long that can take. Spend 1000s getting the licence and then months waiting to be able to exercise it. Despite the fact that CASA has cleared the individual into Controlled Airports (courtesy of the letter issued to them) they refuse to extend that permission to the full licence. As far as I can tell speaking with CASA, this is their procedure which is biting.

Can you imagine the outcry if all Probationary Drivers were being held back for months because the State Govt had decided that they needed a Police check first?

BD

Might stick my neck out here.

Been more than a little involved in playing chasy here.

I can assure you it is being taken very seriously by the Minister, DOTARS and CASA. A very high level exec has been given carriage of the issue and the means to make sure it moves forward between the Departments.

Neither CASA nor DOTARS invented this requirement it was imposed on the industry by Government and placed an even heavier burden on an already overloaded ASIO, police and security assets.

Yes there have been some stuff ups, false starts and so on but give em a break, they have to maintain quality control and an orderly process lest it descend into total chaos.

All of the Depts are aware of all the wrinkles now, they have to play the cards they are dealt so how about we start understanding their plight and be patient.

If you've got a problem with the idea go tell it to John Howard and his Government, the opposition have been quiet on it because apart from some cheap shots in it I suspect they are bipartisan on the principle.

They have made the announcements, they have moved where they can, but as far as I can tell it is not negotiable in principle.

We just have to leave it to the professional PS to sort out as fast as they can. They have been downsizing getting real lean for a long time, then they are given a task that requires resources they don't have in the time available without the money to fund it or the time to train em.

You can't get two pints out of a pint pot, well not easily anyway and you can bet your bippy that the Minister does not want to have to do a mea culpa and/or another "extension":{

When this has been tidied up, look forward to some progress in the way licensing can be handled in the future. Now is not the time.

Appreciate that gaunty.

It is the hypocracy that is annoying.

In my world, a "stuff up" means dead. A "false start" is maybe only a crash.

A "wrinkle" a show cause - AOC or license.

To be told "we lost it, resubmit application" or to get two different answers to the same question to the same department on the same day is frankly unacceptable.

If I were to handle my dealings with said department in a similar fashion it would not be tolerated.

And yet it is OK for them.