Firstofficer...I couldnt agree more,,a very proactive attitude indeed,but I dont live in the past.I have worked for 15 different airlines,some bad,some good,and currently for a better than good airline.My problem with your comment is that most airlines are remnants of "past" airlines,they dont give a **** about "future"airlines.The people that run these airlines are not new on the block,most(not all)dig deep into the bag of treachery and use practices of the past for their future endeavours.You need only to look at what Lorenzo,Crandell,Frankie have done to the airlines,the cronies from AirNZ that want their golden parachutes after doing nothing for the company,and walking away with $$$$$ whilst the airline is going into bankruptcy.I have been on several MEC,s,for various airlines,I suggest you get on one,and then maybe you will realize how tough it is to actually work on a better airline future.This whole industry is frought with past practices.The number or airlines that are considered great airlines,you can count them on one hand.Why,because they subscribe to your first post,which incidently I totally agree with .My findings and experience suggest that you have to have people in those positions that are willing to cure problems of the past,the airline industry does not have a stock or surplus of these people.Look at the current state we are in.........otaota

So all is not well in Camelot, or Shagrilah (Could he have meant Shangrila?)

Some poster alluded to the pilot body at VB not being united. Lordy, Lordy!!! Give me strength.

If THAT pilot group can't be united, the strong ones who held firm against the PM and the huge guns of town hall trained on them, WHO can???

Must be that rabble from GA who can't follow the ideals of those who came back from overseas on the 'promise' that things (income, etc) would get better.

Come on fellas, you never trusted the managements pre 89 unless it was written in blood, so why would you give up 'high paying jobs' overseas to return to these fine shores on a promise, particularly one from the likes of VB management.

Seems like you guys set our jelly like rules as you go along.

I find this a revelation. To think, pilots who leave a company are not happy.

Click Woomera.