Leaving Virgin Blue?
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Leaving Virgin Blue?
Hearing a growing number of reports of Virgin pilots saying enough is enough and leaving for greener pastures ie CX and Emirates.
Are the delay tactics with the EBA and questionable rostering practices starting to wear a little thin over there?
I'm not trying to wind anyone up,just a bit curious is all.
Are the delay tactics with the EBA and questionable rostering practices starting to wear a little thin over there?
I'm not trying to wind anyone up,just a bit curious is all.
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Flamingmoe. To answer your question, YES there are many pilots looking at moving on. We have had enough of the incompetence, lies and mis-information.
The EBA process is still dragging on and the company has the most abhorrent attitude toward pilots I have ever witnessed.
En-masse resignations are not too far away I believe. A lot of us gave up good positions over seas to come back to the country we love, only to be comprehensively shafted from every angle. As there is little unity among the ranks, the company would be rubbing their grubby hands in collective delight.
I could go on for many pages, alas I do not want to waste your time. I'm sure you get the picture. The unhappiest airline environment I have ever seen!
The EBA process is still dragging on and the company has the most abhorrent attitude toward pilots I have ever witnessed.
En-masse resignations are not too far away I believe. A lot of us gave up good positions over seas to come back to the country we love, only to be comprehensively shafted from every angle. As there is little unity among the ranks, the company would be rubbing their grubby hands in collective delight.
I could go on for many pages, alas I do not want to waste your time. I'm sure you get the picture. The unhappiest airline environment I have ever seen!
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Try QANTAS for a unhappy working enviroment. Every department there is copping it.
The bosses of these airlines really have redefined how badly management can treat staff.
The bosses of these airlines really have redefined how badly management can treat staff.
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Goodness!!...I would have thought that VB is a pilots utopia, as its lead by the #2 from the great '89 pilots dispute, surely he still believes in those great union principles that he fought so hard for.
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You're making a dick of yourself again Richard K - obviously news travels slowly to your little backwater.
Welcome to QANTAS.
Oops, sorry, this about another airline isn't it
We have had enough of the incompetence, lies and mis-information....and the company has the most abhorrent attitude toward pilots I have ever witnessed.
Oops, sorry, this about another airline isn't it
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You reep what you sow!
You came home from abroad, paid for your endorsements and were paid below what the incumbants of the time were- a VB training captain was being paid the same or slightly less than a QF and Ansett F/O.
Now, because of your folly of paying for your training, you have removed VB's sensitivities to market forces- it doesn't really matter if 50 VB pilots leave. In fact, management will probably be pleased.
flamingmoe
Where are you all going to go?
Emirates not too rosey at the moment and why would you live in the tent of the Arab for the same money you get now? Virgin Blue Capt to CX freighter F/O seems a ludicrous suggestion if it involves a paycut.
You reep what you sow!
You came home from abroad, paid for your endorsements and were paid below what the incumbants of the time were- a VB training captain was being paid the same or slightly less than a QF and Ansett F/O.
Now, because of your folly of paying for your training, you have removed VB's sensitivities to market forces- it doesn't really matter if 50 VB pilots leave. In fact, management will probably be pleased.
flamingmoe
Where are you all going to go?
Emirates not too rosey at the moment and why would you live in the tent of the Arab for the same money you get now? Virgin Blue Capt to CX freighter F/O seems a ludicrous suggestion if it involves a paycut.
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As I said in my initial post,it's not my intention to fire up the same old debates surrounding Virgin Blue (Gnadenburg),its been done to death already. Nor am I a present Virgin pilot,more of a hopefull Virgin pilot,and like many before me I have a great job overseas,but I have a burning desire to get home to Oz.
Naturally,rumours of mass exodus leave me questioning my aspirations,I would hate to join Virgin against the flow of resignations and wind up regretting the move,as it seems so many guys from O/S do.
Naturally,rumours of mass exodus leave me questioning my aspirations,I would hate to join Virgin against the flow of resignations and wind up regretting the move,as it seems so many guys from O/S do.
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a VB training captain was being paid the same or slightly less than a QF and Ansett F/O.
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QF & AN FOs' pay were and are quite unsustainable for LCCs.
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QF & AN FOs' pay were and are quite unsustainable for LCCs.
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Gnadenburg you can try (yet again) to turn this into another us versus them thread. I aint interested mate. Someone asked a question and I furnished a very abbreviated answer.
You obviously do not know all the facts. Many of us came back with endorsements. We were subsequently promised that we had to endure a "start up pay" but things would improve in the near future. We are still waiting.
Flamingmoe, I suggest you think very carefully about coming home mate. Things may improve in the future but God knows when. The rosters are a disgrace. The pay is ordinary to say the least and the training is non existant. I believe we have the lowest standards in Oz. Pay for your own endorsements are simply wrong. The results can be seen on line daily.
And yes Soutwest and others do pay their pilots MORE than established carriers, so (CASPER) it has NOTHING to do with LCC's. That is dreary management propoganda. If the company is managed properly, good pay is not a problem.
You obviously do not know all the facts. Many of us came back with endorsements. We were subsequently promised that we had to endure a "start up pay" but things would improve in the near future. We are still waiting.
Flamingmoe, I suggest you think very carefully about coming home mate. Things may improve in the future but God knows when. The rosters are a disgrace. The pay is ordinary to say the least and the training is non existant. I believe we have the lowest standards in Oz. Pay for your own endorsements are simply wrong. The results can be seen on line daily.
And yes Soutwest and others do pay their pilots MORE than established carriers, so (CASPER) it has NOTHING to do with LCC's. That is dreary management propoganda. If the company is managed properly, good pay is not a problem.
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well when your working for two clowns- like godfrey and branson you reap what you sow-
yeh you may leave for greener pasture's- but there is always some bloke waiting underneath you to take your place and under cut the rest -just look at the suckhole's at jet* -offer them a bag of peanuts and a mike shake and they will fly an a320 and take the conditions down further and why ---its because there a pack of c
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yeh you may leave for greener pasture's- but there is always some bloke waiting underneath you to take your place and under cut the rest -just look at the suckhole's at jet* -offer them a bag of peanuts and a mike shake and they will fly an a320 and take the conditions down further and why ---its because there a pack of c
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What's your problem Honker, I was under the impression that VB was Shagrilah to the returnees, all that brotherhood stuff, that was on another thread.
S of F says this what you get from working for two clowns...I would have thought it would be 3 clowns, trout mouth, the dirty old man, and the CFI of the aero club.
S of F says this what you get from working for two clowns...I would have thought it would be 3 clowns, trout mouth, the dirty old man, and the CFI of the aero club.
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Throw in some pretzells and they are flying an A330 for A320+%20!
Can't wait to see what they'll fly the 380 or 787 for....
OR
Buy a subway franchise and earn the same if not more.
Never go away on overnights and do no recurrency training, just smile and ask if you want jalepenos on that foot long money machine.
Everyone you walk into is chockers...
It is quite simple to see which way it is going.
Fly for ego, work elsewhere for money.
Can't wait to see what they'll fly the 380 or 787 for....
OR
Buy a subway franchise and earn the same if not more.
Never go away on overnights and do no recurrency training, just smile and ask if you want jalepenos on that foot long money machine.
Everyone you walk into is chockers...
It is quite simple to see which way it is going.
Fly for ego, work elsewhere for money.
A sign of the future.. or is it already here??
Not wanting to knock either of the following or their employers, but, a friend recently gave up being a Metro Captain because his teenage son earns more than him as a Junior Manager at KFC.
I believe the father's application was successful at KFC.......
I believe the father's application was successful at KFC.......
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a VB training captain was being paid the same or slightly less than a QF and Ansett F/O.
a friend recently gave up being a Metro Captain because his teenage son earns more than him as a Junior Manager at KFC.
Job satisfaction is not just about the dollars. That is one aspect of it, but it is not the be-all and end-all.