Airline now hiring - CPLs
 

Guys and gals ( with low time )

I heard from a source that MAS is going to the Philippines to hire pilots on the 7-9 of June ( I think) as they have shortages in Malaysia. Requirement I heard is only a CPL / IR.... not even sure if it's multi they require but most likely a single IR.

They are hiring for Twotters to 737 placements. Contact the MAS office in Manila for details if interested.

This is a walk-in interview. Just get your sh*t together and blast down to the office.

Unfortunately I have no info on pay details and what posting you would get. Maybe Saba, who knows....... but I guess flying a turbine as a first job won't be too bad compared to flying a single in the outback.

New CPL's ---- go for it. Would be good if you get the 737 seat.

Ring them tommorrow ( 2 hours behind us ) to get info and pack your bags.


D6

G'day Delta Six, thanks for posting the info. Although im not at a CPL/IR level just yet, it just goes to show what potential opportunities there are out there for newbie CPL's. Keep it coming.

Trav 737-400:ok:

Just looked at the Ryanair website, seems like their requirements are pretty low too.

Any idea if the requirements are easy to get or not?

Condensation,

"JAR FCL Licence"

Umm, I think you'll find that requirement is the tough one for an Australian (unless you have some pommie heritage), the others are all a piece of p1ss, relatively speaking.

Cheers,
TL

Onya DeltaSix for the community spirit.:ok:

Are you serious Delta 6 - why would they be that desperate!

Thanks for the reply TL :ok:

Thought the requirements were a bit good to be true :(

Mr Garisson,

I don't exactly know why this has happened but I have been looking at the Far East forums as I was about to go for a job in Asia and apparently there has been turbulence in Malaysian Airlines in terms of hiring of pilots and retainings. I can't pinpoint exactly the actual reason. This ( the hiring ) was confirmed to me by someone from an airline in the Philippines who I met here in Sydney.

This trouble inside MAS has been brewing for awhile.

My only advise to CPLs going for it is, dont worry too much about the money, posting and what aircraft they are given ( if accepted ) as this is a chance for your foot to get in the door.

As I said, I don't have the telephone number but you can contact the MAS office here in Sydney or your major cities as I'm sure they would have the telephone number for their Manila office.

From what I've heard, they didn't bother taking Oz into consideration in coming here as they cannot compete with the salaries of second officers in QF. But then again, they are not after 1500 TT. Would be good if you have but they said sub-500.


Good luck to all. I hope i was able to bring hope to those who are hoping.

If we ( new CPLs ) go overseas to fly and leave Oz, this MIGHT tip the balance in favour of our pilots here therefore can maintain and negotiate their salary and conditions on training with the airline to their satisfaction.
Not the airline dictating their conditions.
I have another airline about to hire sub-250 hour CPLs into turbine seats but you will have to standby for this one. It's not out yet but you must be prepared to leave your nest.


D6


Condesation - that Ryanair as well is self-funded.
So, you would have to fork out the 737 endorsement.

TL's right about the UK heritage.

Even if you have that, it's still a good $AU30K just to convert the Australian version of your licence to the JAR. Plus the self funded endorsement and you might as well pay yourself half way to the 500 ME CMD you need for regionals here.

Just so i know ...

Are you saying

1) MAS are hiring low time (under 500TT) CPL's

and

2) accepting Foreigners, ie, Australian nationals with Australian CPL's

Is there any requirement to have the right to live or work or be born in Malaysia or any asian countries or anything similar?

Any other info?

I think the real shortage is of Captains not FO's - if you look around some of the chatter on the Far East forum you'll get the impression pretty quickly that there's plenty of Malaysian citizen low time CPL/IRs who are pretty bloody keen to work for MAS but can't get a look in. Just because they've got minimums of CPL/IR doesn't mean jack - I mean those are also the minimum requirements for Qantas too aren't they?

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=174623

Not really sure but I suspect it just can't be that easy ... they were advertising in Flight a couple of months back as I recall ... I know of at least one turboprop captain with around 4000 hours from around work here, and two FOs both with over 1000, all of who applied and and all got the big PFO a few weeks later :(

PCFlyer - that is a yes to both questions. They are actually going to the Philippines - Filipinos to them are foreigners. As I said previously, they didn't think of coming here as they are thinking about the salary cost compared to QF. As far as what I've heard they are hiring from Captains down to Second Officers. If you are not satisfied with this, ring MAS themselves in Manila. It will only cost you a phone call if you doubt this.

No harm in trying. The hiring starts tommorrow.

D6

agreed, onya D6 for sharing the opp.

7g

I remember seeing some time ago that they were looking for twotter and other pilots.

Maybe try emailing their HR department at: [email protected] if you are interested.

Good luck

this is crap.

i just wasted just under 40 mins only to be fckued around by the people in Manilla and wasted probly alot of money doing it. i found them to be very unprofessional about it all and i WOULD SUGGEST TO ANYONE ALSE THAT YOU DONT WASTE YOUR TIME OR MONAY. All thay wanted to do was palm me off from one to the other, in the end I ended up hanging up which was around 40 mins later.

Sounded to good to be true anyway!

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Eva and China Airlines will employ expat F/Os without jet time on 744, MD11, A330, A340, I think about US$60 bond. Living in TPE is the BIG downside.

what's the min req's? Any idea what the pay is like?

thanks,

Squid

Squid,

Dont know then mins per say, just hear they are taking metro and twin otter guys. Seen a requirement of ICAO ATPL/1500 hrs total on PARCs website.

Think about US$11k per month, apparently about 10% tax.

Guys I have talked to had a number of concerns working there, and upgrade from FO to Capt requires something like 500 LANDINGS, with 14 hr sectors, heavy crews you would be lucky to get 2 a month. Locals can do short haul stuff so it advantages them. Can have local capts with 3-4000 hrs total.

Expect to go where the Wx is poor, locals will do the Oz trips.

I have not worked for them, just talked to guys that have left, so the story I am getting is from ex-employees, take that into account, do your own research. I have been to TPE a number of times, it takes a visit to appreciate the place, I dont like the smog, but thats me.

On the plus side understand China Airlines lets the guys travel back to Oz business on the gen dec, so they come in as crew which saves $$$ and good for the tax man as your "operating crew" not a pax.

Type ratings obtained in China Airlines and Eva are not recognised most places as they are not ICAO.

:ok:

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Tin watches..........

EVA and CHINA AIR
 

swh,

unfortunately, for EVA you require ideally 500hrs jet time >50 seats. China, well it is possible to get in there with just a bare ATPL if your lucky. Even then, why would you go there without the Type Rating? 11K a month for Captain is about right, including allowances. For F/0 expect to clear just over $4000 US a month including allowances.

this is true i guess muvo, but i think there's a big difference between half way to the limited job opportunities for the regionals here and all the way to a potential mainstream airline applicant over there. if you have the money and the means i think it would be definitely worth it.

jfo

yeah tinpis2 also watches

:ok:

Tinpis2

Who did you try to ring ?.......just because you didn't get through to the person doesn't mean they were not there hiring.
This came from a reliable source.

Try a phonecard next time when you ring overseas, it will save you heaps.

I found an A330 job in asia so there is no reason why you can't. MAS is more in need than the airline I was able to contact.

As they say, if you don't suceed once, try and try again.
You give up then it's up to you but don't discourage others if you had a hard time getting through. You know very well as I do how hard it is to get into a flying job. Especially in an airline.

D6

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I have lived up here in South East Asia for more years than I care to remember, and while I don't fly for MAS I do fly for a major airline in the region (in the front left seat).

You may or may not be aware that in the last five years over 12 new airlines have started up in the South East Asian region. The largest of them, Air Asia, based in Kuala Lumpur has over 120 Boeing 737s. If you add up the number of aircraft the Low Cost Carriers (LCCs) have introduced to the region over the last 5 years it easily exceeds 300.
At the same time, Singapore Airlines has been expanding, albeit slowly.
Airlines generally work on about 7 crews per aircraft.
You do the maths. 7 x 2 = 14 pilots per aircraft.
14 x 300plus = A LOT

ALSO, India has recently de regulated its aviation industry and several LCCs have started up there. Since there were a lot of Indians working for South East Asian airlines like MAS & SQ, some Indians have taken the opportunity to go home.

AT THE SAME TIME the LCC market in Europe has been expanding, and some Europeans working in this part of the world have also taken the opportunity to go home.

FINALLY, the value of some of the Asian currencies has gone seriously downwards in the last few years. The Singapore Dollar devalued by about 30% a couple of years back. If you were sending money back home (wherever that is) that meant you are sending back considerably less now than you were.
The airlines, stuck with things like SARS, Bird Flu and oil prices going through the roof, have tried very hard to block pay rises for pilots and indeed all their staff.
The simple fact however, is that the supply of pilots worldwide is now considerably less that the demand.

One particular LCC tried starting up with Terms & Conditions (T & Cs) so low, that a couple of weeks before start of operations they had two pilots on their books. When they contacted PARC ( a major recruitment company based in Ireland) and told them what they were offering, they heard laughter and then the phone went dead.

So where this is all leading to is;
1) Airlines in South East Asia are running out of pilots.
2) Airlines are trying hard not to give pay rises.
3) The new start ups are having to offer big money to attract pilots.
4) Pilots in major airlines are leaving to get seriously big money in the start ups (or just going home).

Tinpis2' experience when trying to phone someone and get an answer is probably correct. That's a cultural thing. Phoning someone out of the blue and asking blunt questions goes over like a lead balloon here. Also a lot of people in this part of the world work on the idea that "If I don't make a decision, I can't be blamed for making a bad one." So you would have been put on hold and passed from extension to extension until eventually you gave up. No decision made - no blame for a bad decision.

So how do you get somewhere ?
These are my suggestions and I can make no guarantees.

1) Make sure you know your geography. So many Aussies ( & Kiwis) come up here and quite literally don't know which country they are in.

2) There are quite a few people in positions of power here who do not have educations at Rocket Science levels. The situation is improving rapidly but there still are people who will have your CV land on their desk, and if it is not short and simple, it will stay on the desk until the humidity rots it away. Keep your C.V. short and simple. More than one page is too much.

3) Write or e mail the Director of Flight Ops / Chief Pilot of your target airline asking for the opportunity to meet with them so you can learn from them what you can do to make your application have a greater chance of success. This obviously means that you will have to save your money and come up to
S.E. Asia. If you do this, do not expect to come up on Wednesday's flight, have the meeting on Thursday and go back home Friday. Power plays, poor records of appointments and just the fact that these sorts of guys are genuinely busy, means you may have to hang around the office for a few days before getting to see anyone.

4) DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES start a sentence with "Back home in Oz". That sentence p1sses people off so much you might get thrown out of the country just for saying it!

5) Lastly, recognise that airlines will, out of preference, recruit their own nationals first (QANTAS prefer Aussies remember). After that they will tend to recruit 'look alikes'. Perhaps a more politically correct phrase might be 'nationals of other ASEAN countries'. White boys will be last on their list.

There is so much more to say like, do not expect it to be like an extended Bali type holiday, do not expect the phones to work all the time, do not expect to be able to drink the water from the tap, do not expect good pay when flying a DHC 6 around the jungle, do not complain if every meal is rice or noodles, do not complain if your Captain is a local who was treated like sh1t by a white master when he was younger and is getting his own back on you, do not expect the 'good' trips.

But most of all.
There are jobs up here for those who really want them.

All the best of luck.

Well said that man.

:ok:

Does anyone else get a return from [email protected] saying that the mailbox is full? - Jeezzz, they must of been swamped! :}

Wings,

These airlines you are talking about, do you have any ideas about their experiance requirements. Is 1000 hrs, 2000 hrs in the ballpark??

Turbine/airline jobs for low time CPL licence holders?? Yep, suuure......
There's a large pink elephant sitting on my roof playing "New York New York" on a concert grand piano. There's $10,000 for the first person who can remove it.

Yes, I am getting a bounce back on that email address too for the past few days.

Also Air Asia say they are not hiring expats until further notice.

zendj,
I emailed through on 10 June and it seems it got through ok... No reply yet.
t1

Wings,

Good post my man... :) Seems as if you use the same techniques getting an airline job over there as you would getting your first job over here. Move to town and make yourself known in the office...