Well it good to see the unemployed fed sec is willing to comment

Influence the vote ?, what arrogant lies,
15 exec present
8 EBA comm - all yes voters
7 others - all no voters

you just wanted a 8/7 result so you could say it was a 'hard fought' exec decision

Start looking for work, you've been bludging off us long enough

The division was created when the EBA committee was made up. How can yoiu have an EBA committee to handle the QF EBA when 5 of the 6 QF Councillors are excluded. The fact that 4 came from Vic and one from SA is just that. A fact. This division just plays into the airlines hands something our members are getting use to from our union. Welcome back bearded one.

You thickheads just don't get it do you. The exec voted the way they did through concerns for the jobs of their heavy maintenance engineers. The way I see it it is a survival package for the radical numbnuts in the heavy maintenance sheltered workshops yet you fail to recognise this.

Get over it boys and girls and wake up and smell the roses because if you don't it maybe too late for all of you. Melbourne heavy maintenance must be the biggest burden engineering has and I beleive they were the most vocal group. I sometimes wish this EBA would got down and then see them all whinge when they are sold off. Who would they blame? The exec of course, because they didn't do enough to save the heavy maintenance bases.

Grow up children and stop living in your antiquated, head-in-the-sand existance that is very prevalent amoungst the blue team, but is slowly but surely working its tenticles into the red heavy maintenance team.

Realise what the sensible ones amongst the exec have attemped to do for you all and do not have your visions blurred by the hollow promises of those that are not so sensible.

I would love to see your heros on the exec go in to bat for you. I hope all of you are ready for extended industrial turmoil. Then in finality get chewed up and spat out by the company and come back to you with a lesser deal.

Do so at your own peril. All I can say is that I am glad I no longer have to put up with this.:ok:

That's a very interesting view that you have Crystal,
Could you explain how, in laymans terms, that a voluntary O/T bank that is of such a cr@p nature that nobody will use it will be the saviour of us Heavy Maintenance Numbnuts.
I would have thought that if things were so dire that a compulsary O/T bank would be the only thing that would keep the wolves from the door.
Perhaps even our managers could come down and explain to us the state of affairs and request our assistance in saving our jobs.
Hey, maybe we could shut down AVV and bring the work back in.
There wouldn't be the peaks and troughs to require O/t banking then.
Anyway when you servicing buffoons come under the Heavy Maint. Blanket you won't be so smug.

Turbo 5B,

A voluntary overtime bank is all that management could negotiate for this EBA and they prefer that to no overtime bank.

If nobody will use the voluntary overtime bank then what is your problem? You have argued against yourself!!!!!!!!!!!

I doubt very much that Avalon will ever shut down. But if I was a betting man I would say that it will expand, hopefully not to take your job.

You must have missed my last sentence. This will never effect me!

CM you are a fool, my man.

If you think that OT banking will remain in it's currently proposed voluntary form, think again...

And if you think that it will only ever apply to Heavy Maintenance, I strongly believe that you are very very wrong...

If the vote is 'Yes', then when the company wishes to expand it into other areas, they will not need to put it to a vote because all the members of the association will have already voted for it.

And you can't use the defence that you only voted for Heavy Maintenance to have it either. How would that look ?

Eagleboy 69, If the overtime bank is to progress to anything but voluntary it will have to be negotiated I trust so what is your problem.

If the vote gets up then again I see no problem because it is only VOLUNTARY.

Get over it Eagleboy69.

Nah mate, everyone knows that there are "volunteers" and "volunteers" just wondering how people will be pressured to volunteer.?

CM,

Once again you are not listening...

This is he thin edge of the wedge for the company.

There is a much greater plan in the wind and when that happens everything in Sydney will change, quite radically.

My issue is that there was not even any consultation with the members as to the makeup of the OT Bank and how it is to work.

Especially with those in heavy maintenance who will be immediately effected, with all of Sydney Maintenance to follow in the very near future. This is where the members will not be able to say no, because they voted yes for a voluntary OT Bank.

Then when the next EBA comes along, if it is in an EBA form or not, they will demant compulsory and the assn will buckle yet again. Unless the talk of a major spill next june are true and come to fruition, that is.

Do yourself a favour steve and try to listen to what is actually being said by those of us on these pages.