Switched-off pilot has wings clipped
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most certainly not!
Firstly let me assure you there isn't skiing in Austria in August, there isnt even skiing in iceland in august! they would be pretty silly to build a chairlift on an ice glacier anyway. I think the AirNZ ski / drink group are doing a stint like this to alaska at the end of the year, that's all I know.
As for your suggestion to turn off master on way to club... Havent you learned anything from this... I suggest you read the article again! (this would be good for the engine to take the load off while it 'warms down' but when you taxi in without your beacon, it sets a pretty random example of airmanship). If you want to save dollars, I'd stay away from the greedy guts of the industry and stick with clubs not speaking for wellington or south Is... What I dont understand about this whole saga is... and this has been confirmed people... DR put himself in the poo when he owned up the following morning, and said what he'd done, why, etc. He was asked to apologise on paper and "write what a silly thing he'd done" and all would be forgotten... that was the condemming letter which CAA pounced on and so the ordeal began. Didnt sound like dishonesty to me... more like good old stupidity.
DONT SWITCH YOUR MASTER SWITCH OFF AT ALL!!! (that includes you colonel blink).
As for your suggestion to turn off master on way to club... Havent you learned anything from this... I suggest you read the article again! (this would be good for the engine to take the load off while it 'warms down' but when you taxi in without your beacon, it sets a pretty random example of airmanship). If you want to save dollars, I'd stay away from the greedy guts of the industry and stick with clubs not speaking for wellington or south Is... What I dont understand about this whole saga is... and this has been confirmed people... DR put himself in the poo when he owned up the following morning, and said what he'd done, why, etc. He was asked to apologise on paper and "write what a silly thing he'd done" and all would be forgotten... that was the condemming letter which CAA pounced on and so the ordeal began. Didnt sound like dishonesty to me... more like good old stupidity.
DONT SWITCH YOUR MASTER SWITCH OFF AT ALL!!! (that includes you colonel blink).
Randy Duck: Suggest that you look at the C172 Flight Manual, Section 7, Figure 7-7, Electrical System, and you will see that it is standard practice (at least for circ 1978 Cessnas) for the hour meter to be wired directly to the battery via a fuse and an oil pressure switch. Can't speak for the later C172's but as far as I know it is a standard Cessna setup.
"something we've all done... " Not too sure about that.
Why would someone so "intelligent" do something so dumb. The chances of getting away with it are slim to start with, the tacho times would not tally neither would the fuel uplifts. May be he is intelligent but not too smart.
Why did he own up? (Dob himself in?) Maybe he had two choices, we have caught you out, own up and apologise or we tell the police?
"something we've all done... " Not too sure about that.
Why would someone so "intelligent" do something so dumb. The chances of getting away with it are slim to start with, the tacho times would not tally neither would the fuel uplifts. May be he is intelligent but not too smart.
Why did he own up? (Dob himself in?) Maybe he had two choices, we have caught you out, own up and apologise or we tell the police?
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I know for a fact you are correct for the older models, and upon asking, apparently that is what is still taught in most schools... however I'm told nothing is wired directly to the battery in the newer 'R' models, all go through a buss. I have a relatively unbiassed knowledge of this case, and there are facts which dont weigh up... did mr Rouse's lawyer not pick up on the fact that the oil pressure reading in fact is mechanical, not electrical... in the older systems the temperature guage will often work also with no master as it is a dielectric metal probe providing its own current to the instrument. This means he really would have had oil pressure reading, according to the report and statements from those on the flights the all familiar 'SADIE's were carried out every 5 minutes by switching the master on. Really the CAA must have laughed hard that they managed to pull off the 'careless use of an aircraft' clause so easily as I didnt see any evidence which was validated at all on the caa side of the report.
Also there was no way of determining a discrepancy between tacco times as these aren't recorded by AFS. Fuel in a 'R' model is 200L total, roughly 6 hours and the daily variance would be huge depending on whether pilots were running lean, low power, filling right up in the morning or half filling etc... too many variables with fuel to prove anything, no tacco to weigh up.. silly ****** should've kept his mouth shut and done some volunteer work to make it up to the community.
Also there was no way of determining a discrepancy between tacco times as these aren't recorded by AFS. Fuel in a 'R' model is 200L total, roughly 6 hours and the daily variance would be huge depending on whether pilots were running lean, low power, filling right up in the morning or half filling etc... too many variables with fuel to prove anything, no tacco to weigh up.. silly ****** should've kept his mouth shut and done some volunteer work to make it up to the community.
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old news still keeping you entertained?
Just FYI, I think this young man does a lot for aviation and the community judging from his credentials. Lucky he isn't married... dont even know how his girlfriend lets him out so frequently. This chap may excite you all (that worries me!) but does this topic?? that worries me even more. no more long messages randy pls.
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What is interesting here is to compare the way this was dealt with with the Denis Grosser case. Seems the NZ CAA dealt with the matter in a court of law, and the guy got about $1000 (NZ at that!) fine/costs and only 3 months loss of licence. In contrast, CASA can and do remove a licence permanently without a word of evidence being heard. They probably would have hung him without recourse to a court.
At least it seems that the NZ CAA or its 'personalities' are not above the law. This clown in NZ did get what he deserved but in Australia, without reference to a court of law how would anyone know?
A point you New Zealanders might like to note from Air Safety Australia...
Today, CASA exploits the draconian powers of CAR 269 (which allows CASA to revoke a pilot's
license for even the most minor offence) quite ruthlessly. We look in vain for the parliamentary
debate of the day when the Government should have said how the power of CAR 269 would not
have been used. There was no debate because no-one objected.
At least it seems that the NZ CAA or its 'personalities' are not above the law. This clown in NZ did get what he deserved but in Australia, without reference to a court of law how would anyone know?
A point you New Zealanders might like to note from Air Safety Australia...
Today, CASA exploits the draconian powers of CAR 269 (which allows CASA to revoke a pilot's
license for even the most minor offence) quite ruthlessly. We look in vain for the parliamentary
debate of the day when the Government should have said how the power of CAR 269 would not
have been used. There was no debate because no-one objected.
