QANTAS recruitment advice
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A few points to clarify. I was referring to those looking at getting direct entry jobs not cadets who are in the 30+ age group with a minimal flying experience which is as I understand it was the point of the original post. Obviously if you are a F-18 instructor you won't be wasting your time waiting around for a scenic job in Kununurra.
You need to show QANTAS that you REALLY WAN'T TO BE THERE. Yeah sure if you have militry time that's great, or if you have alot of experience it's a different kettle of fish. No I never said it guarrentees you a job, yes you are correct in that Qantas look at the whole person.
However if this post is about people in their 30's with low experience then showing you are keen will make a difference. If you are 30 years old you can't spend 15 years flying on the east coast if you still want to get into QF
As for the IFR comment well tell me of one east coast operater that will put a 200 hour CPL in a IFR east coast job?? If the answers no then where can you start?? No instructor starts in a IFR training job do they??? You have to start somewhere.
As for cadets going onto the mainine 'quite successfully' you and I know that isn't entirely correct!!! Why has the checking program changed for cadets?? Why have they had to retrain some of them if it is all so successfull??!!!
You need to show QANTAS that you REALLY WAN'T TO BE THERE. Yeah sure if you have militry time that's great, or if you have alot of experience it's a different kettle of fish. No I never said it guarrentees you a job, yes you are correct in that Qantas look at the whole person.
However if this post is about people in their 30's with low experience then showing you are keen will make a difference. If you are 30 years old you can't spend 15 years flying on the east coast if you still want to get into QF
As for the IFR comment well tell me of one east coast operater that will put a 200 hour CPL in a IFR east coast job?? If the answers no then where can you start?? No instructor starts in a IFR training job do they??? You have to start somewhere.
As for cadets going onto the mainine 'quite successfully' you and I know that isn't entirely correct!!! Why has the checking program changed for cadets?? Why have they had to retrain some of them if it is all so successfull??!!!
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If you are 30 years old you can't spend 15 years flying on the east coast if you still want to get into QF
As for cadets going onto the mainine 'quite successfully' you and I know that isn't entirely correct!!! Why has the checking program changed for cadets?? Why have they had to retrain some of them if it is all so successfull??!!!
I bags not opening THAT can of worms
It's quite feasible to apply to QF in your 20's and not get the call for stage one for several years. It has and does happen.
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Matt,
My comments to Mr Garrison were more about sticking his head well out of the trench for little net benefit to himself and the distinct possibility of getting it shot off. I've spoken loud and long about the QF selection process over the years but little lately due to lack of currency on the issue. My point is that I'm through it and don't have to worry about the potential of uncomfortable questions during the selection process on the basis of what I've written here.
I've got no problem with people posting gen on here (good, bad or indifferent gen) but the individual should consider what giving that information out will do to thier longer term prospects.
My comments to Mr Garrison were more about sticking his head well out of the trench for little net benefit to himself and the distinct possibility of getting it shot off. I've spoken loud and long about the QF selection process over the years but little lately due to lack of currency on the issue. My point is that I'm through it and don't have to worry about the potential of uncomfortable questions during the selection process on the basis of what I've written here.
I've got no problem with people posting gen on here (good, bad or indifferent gen) but the individual should consider what giving that information out will do to thier longer term prospects.
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Yeah Hugh you are right in the sense of cadets getting into QF. Also in paper I think that the cadet program isn't a bad idea really 'on paper'. It's the result of the system is the problem.
In regards to the 'east coast' argument. At the end of the day if you can get a charter job on the coast straight away that would be ideal but not many people can do this. If you are young you can wait, if you are 30 something you really can't hang around to long hoping something might occur. That is my only point. The outback stuff teaches you alot however if anyone can jag a charter job on the coast I'd be taking that any day. However not many people are that lucky so the option is to go bush or if you want do the flying instructor thing.
In regards to the 'east coast' argument. At the end of the day if you can get a charter job on the coast straight away that would be ideal but not many people can do this. If you are young you can wait, if you are 30 something you really can't hang around to long hoping something might occur. That is my only point. The outback stuff teaches you alot however if anyone can jag a charter job on the coast I'd be taking that any day. However not many people are that lucky so the option is to go bush or if you want do the flying instructor thing.
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QF Second Officer Cadets
Keg,
Ok a question on something a little less controversial
With regards to QF cadets and Second officers.
How long does it tradionally take them to get one of the fronts seats of a big jet ? and is this age effected
cheers
mat
Ok a question on something a little less controversial
With regards to QF cadets and Second officers.
How long does it tradionally take them to get one of the fronts seats of a big jet ? and is this age effected
cheers
mat
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Matt,
Must be 21 to become a FO, so generally no influence. Hours are the only factor. On average it takes 3 years to get the Aeronautical experience to meet the requirements (depending how many hours the pilot had when they started). Traditionally seniority is achieved much sooner...
Lancer
Must be 21 to become a FO, so generally no influence. Hours are the only factor. On average it takes 3 years to get the Aeronautical experience to meet the requirements (depending how many hours the pilot had when they started). Traditionally seniority is achieved much sooner...
Lancer
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Mat, Lancer is correct. Currenly a whole bunch of cadets have the seniorority for an F/O slot but not the hours requirement. Of course, they still have to complete the training and get through the check. The cadets from the early '90s had about the same pass/fail rate as the ex GA, military pilots. I'm not sure how that stacks up with the current bunch of cadets due to start F/O training shortly (if they haven't done so already!) At the end of the day, the benchmark is EXACTLY the same. The cadets have to jump through the same fiery hoops as anyone else- just with less 'experience'. In general I'd hope that they'd be complimented for that rather than slammed- similar to the fact that a 23ish year old military pilot is complimented whilst acknowledging that the skills sets may lie in different directions.
A whole bunch of years ago on PPRUNE we were lamenting the fact that QF even took cadets and what a bunch of wackers they are- of course, you are never allowed to make such sweeping generalisations ANYONE else in aviation but cadets were fair game!
. The 'problem' is that they have all been F/Os now for up to six years (or more) and the first of them is now a skipper at AO. The other 80 or so from the early '90s now have the aeronautical experience (mostly) and I know of at least a couple of dozen or so that have their hats in the ring for the first front left seat that they can get (there are probably a LOT more than that but thats just the blokes I've managed to get a committment from and I'm in that group too). A whole bunch have also completed conversion training onto the 744 as well.
Hugh, I never did Ceduna but a couple of compatriots did. I did Pt Lincoln, Kingscote and all of Kangaroo Island as well as north to PAG and further north again to.....memory going now. We also traipsed over Victoria and NSW doing let downs at all the airfields along the way but I'm sure you remember that.
Scud, I'd be interested in hearing about this 'retraining' that you mentioned. Not saying that it doesn't happen, just after your 'context' to make sure we're discussing the same thing. As I alluded to above, cadets aren't the only people who occaisionally struggle with promotional training.
Anyway........
A whole bunch of years ago on PPRUNE we were lamenting the fact that QF even took cadets and what a bunch of wackers they are- of course, you are never allowed to make such sweeping generalisations ANYONE else in aviation but cadets were fair game!
. The 'problem' is that they have all been F/Os now for up to six years (or more) and the first of them is now a skipper at AO. The other 80 or so from the early '90s now have the aeronautical experience (mostly) and I know of at least a couple of dozen or so that have their hats in the ring for the first front left seat that they can get (there are probably a LOT more than that but thats just the blokes I've managed to get a committment from and I'm in that group too). A whole bunch have also completed conversion training onto the 744 as well.Hugh, I never did Ceduna but a couple of compatriots did. I did Pt Lincoln, Kingscote and all of Kangaroo Island as well as north to PAG and further north again to.....memory going now. We also traipsed over Victoria and NSW doing let downs at all the airfields along the way but I'm sure you remember that.
Scud, I'd be interested in hearing about this 'retraining' that you mentioned. Not saying that it doesn't happen, just after your 'context' to make sure we're discussing the same thing. As I alluded to above, cadets aren't the only people who occaisionally struggle with promotional training.
Anyway........
