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Please ensure that your Antivirus and Firewall software is up to date and kept so daily if possible.
PPRuNe nor any site is today "safe" and attacks are now a sad fact of life.
You can be certain PPRuNe will respond thouroughly and rapidly, as has just been demonstrated, to any attacks.
The only consolation is that some obviously feel sufficiently threatened about the transparency of and the way PPRuNe operates that they go to a lot of trouble to try and silence us.
Today is the last day for nominations and those who have announced their nomination publicly are known, and the rest will be so, at some time after closing and the profiles published in the magazine.
This thread, in the absence of the AOPA Forum for the moment, presents an open invitation for discussion of the policies and thoughts of those who have nominated and who choose to do so here.
It will be closely moderated within the rules of PPRuNe, which basically require common sense good manners, mutual respect and civility and ANY personal attacks, attempts to denigrate persons or their policy, or comments other than in a constructive manner and in the spirit of earnest persuasion, will result in the poster being binned for the period of the election at the least
It is possible to have dialogue with another who may have a diametrically opposed view to your own, without resorting to aggression or verbal violence.
It is even possible that you may find a common ground from which progress forward together can be made.
Or, quelle horreur , that you may actually agree with each other and just use a different mode of expression, or have developed an antipathy based on a personal prejudice.
The first piece of common ground is that everyone who has nominated or has not resigned to renomiate, has done so out of concern for the state of AOPA and the desire to serve that concern and the membership in its resolution.
So even those who you may see as your "opponents" are actually with you on that common ground.
How you win the hearts and minds around here, will depend on the quality of your contribution and your general demeanour.
PPRuNe nor any site is today "safe" and attacks are now a sad fact of life.
You can be certain PPRuNe will respond thouroughly and rapidly, as has just been demonstrated, to any attacks.
The only consolation is that some obviously feel sufficiently threatened about the transparency of and the way PPRuNe operates that they go to a lot of trouble to try and silence us.
Today is the last day for nominations and those who have announced their nomination publicly are known, and the rest will be so, at some time after closing and the profiles published in the magazine.
This thread, in the absence of the AOPA Forum for the moment, presents an open invitation for discussion of the policies and thoughts of those who have nominated and who choose to do so here.
It will be closely moderated within the rules of PPRuNe, which basically require common sense good manners, mutual respect and civility and ANY personal attacks, attempts to denigrate persons or their policy, or comments other than in a constructive manner and in the spirit of earnest persuasion, will result in the poster being binned for the period of the election at the least
It is possible to have dialogue with another who may have a diametrically opposed view to your own, without resorting to aggression or verbal violence.
It is even possible that you may find a common ground from which progress forward together can be made.
Or, quelle horreur , that you may actually agree with each other and just use a different mode of expression, or have developed an antipathy based on a personal prejudice.
The first piece of common ground is that everyone who has nominated or has not resigned to renomiate, has done so out of concern for the state of AOPA and the desire to serve that concern and the membership in its resolution.
So even those who you may see as your "opponents" are actually with you on that common ground.
How you win the hearts and minds around here, will depend on the quality of your contribution and your general demeanour.
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copying my post from 'woomera perspective'
At last, a glimmer of sun between the Towering Cu.
There will be an election for the AOPA Board.
The following people have nominated and I know they all are committed to working together inside AOPA and with like minded bodies such as the Aero Clubs, AUF, GFA, PFA Air Safety, the Minister and those in CASA with 'the right attitude' (the others BEWARE!!!).
Please support the following candidates for the AOPA Board.
Marjorie Pagani (Townsville)
Trish Mahlberg (area rep Mackay)
Adrienne Williams (area rep Adelaide)
Ron Lawford (Darwin)
Gary Gaunt (Gaunty ... Perth)
David McDonald (area rep Brisbane)
Ron Bertram (Bankstown)
Mick Kennedy (St George)
Bill Pike (the Hunter)
Jane Errey (Murrumbateman), oh yeah, and me if you feel inclined
Andrew Kerans
A pretty representative team from all areas and sectors of GA, some with Board experience, all with a deep commitment to working together and to listening to members and non-members views alike.
help us rebuild AOPA!!!!
AK
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In answer to axioms claims in Woomera perspective.
1. This list was provided to me not by EA but by the TEAM that is running. I ask you to support this TEAM.
2. To expect me to post or support the nomination of any other person or group is the same as expecting a Labor cnadidate to lobby for his Liberal opponent.
There will be an election for the AOPA Board.
The following people have nominated and I know they all are committed to working together inside AOPA and with like minded bodies such as the Aero Clubs, AUF, GFA, PFA Air Safety, the Minister and those in CASA with 'the right attitude' (the others BEWARE!!!).
Please support the following candidates for the AOPA Board.
Marjorie Pagani (Townsville)
Trish Mahlberg (area rep Mackay)
Adrienne Williams (area rep Adelaide)
Ron Lawford (Darwin)
Gary Gaunt (Gaunty ... Perth)
David McDonald (area rep Brisbane)
Ron Bertram (Bankstown)
Mick Kennedy (St George)
Bill Pike (the Hunter)
Jane Errey (Murrumbateman), oh yeah, and me if you feel inclined
Andrew Kerans
A pretty representative team from all areas and sectors of GA, some with Board experience, all with a deep commitment to working together and to listening to members and non-members views alike.
help us rebuild AOPA!!!!
AK
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In answer to axioms claims in Woomera perspective.
1. This list was provided to me not by EA but by the TEAM that is running. I ask you to support this TEAM.
2. To expect me to post or support the nomination of any other person or group is the same as expecting a Labor cnadidate to lobby for his Liberal opponent.
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Taken the aforementioned, I reiterate from my post on page 5 of the previous post, THIS POST OF SNAREK'S IS INNACURATE AND MEANT TO BE MALICIOUSLY MISLEADING, given he has repeated it twice.
His post was presented at 11.00 something this morning and well before the close of nominations with Elections Australia.
One would ask HOW is he privy to matters that border on an abuse of the electoral ACT insomuch as he profess to have intimate knowledge of who is nominated before the close of nominations.
Further he has omitted PERSONS who have nominated and one can only figure this as being sinister.
Also, as snarek has a dual personality on pprune, he also has same on the nomination of AOPA with his partner also nominating.
Given, probably a paid up member, but it SMELLS BADLY
I also believe that "HIS TEAM" is a figment of his imagination and does not represent who or what may possibly be at the helm when the votes are counted.
He has omitted a number of persons who do not have to stand, being a product of our split election system.
He has trod on dangerous ground with his revelations this morning, and, if it turns out that (as it is now), after 5.30pm the nominees represent his alleged and informed quota, I personally will be taking matters further with the Electoral Commission.
From what is normal, one expects the impartial Elections Australia to vett the nominations via AOPA Central to see if they are valid and legal nominations.
From a functionary in the office, it appears, indeed, smells of someone commandeering the enquiries from that person and dissimilating and broadcasting same over this medium.
The only sensible person in this matter appears to be the woomera team who pulled this until after nominations closed.
The gloves are off now woomera, is this an election platform or a propaganda platform.
Big mistake snarek, leaving my mate off your list.
Also I have debunked some of your "teams" intent as I write, and will continue to ring around tonight to get a yes or no answer to who is on your team and who isn't.
PS Who made you lord and master on "Outing" Gaunty, or is he on your team also ? Don't try and "Out" me MATE.
There is no icon suitable !! grrrrrrrrrr.
His post was presented at 11.00 something this morning and well before the close of nominations with Elections Australia.
One would ask HOW is he privy to matters that border on an abuse of the electoral ACT insomuch as he profess to have intimate knowledge of who is nominated before the close of nominations.
Further he has omitted PERSONS who have nominated and one can only figure this as being sinister.
Also, as snarek has a dual personality on pprune, he also has same on the nomination of AOPA with his partner also nominating.
Given, probably a paid up member, but it SMELLS BADLY
I also believe that "HIS TEAM" is a figment of his imagination and does not represent who or what may possibly be at the helm when the votes are counted.
He has omitted a number of persons who do not have to stand, being a product of our split election system.
He has trod on dangerous ground with his revelations this morning, and, if it turns out that (as it is now), after 5.30pm the nominees represent his alleged and informed quota, I personally will be taking matters further with the Electoral Commission.
From what is normal, one expects the impartial Elections Australia to vett the nominations via AOPA Central to see if they are valid and legal nominations.
From a functionary in the office, it appears, indeed, smells of someone commandeering the enquiries from that person and dissimilating and broadcasting same over this medium.
The only sensible person in this matter appears to be the woomera team who pulled this until after nominations closed.
The gloves are off now woomera, is this an election platform or a propaganda platform.
Big mistake snarek, leaving my mate off your list.
Also I have debunked some of your "teams" intent as I write, and will continue to ring around tonight to get a yes or no answer to who is on your team and who isn't.
PS Who made you lord and master on "Outing" Gaunty, or is he on your team also ? Don't try and "Out" me MATE.
There is no icon suitable !! grrrrrrrrrr.
(copied from the other thread)
Today's Australian aviation section features an article about Pikes resignation from the board. In the article he blames the Minister and CASA for deciding to give it away. I think it is more likely that it was the internal board politics and his weak stand against those that would not conform was really the reason.
Nevertheless, by blaming the Minister, Pike has now totally alienated AOPA from the main stream decision making process.
Unless the new board can overcome this, the future ability of AOPA to solve the problems of the day is very remote. Another reason to have a spill. I doubt if McKeown has the ability to do it and Hamilton certainly does not. Hopefully some of new names will get up and help regain the respectability the association once had. If not, then there is a good chance of an EGM in the not too distant future.
axiom The info is there, you just have to have the right contacts and keep your ear to the ground whilst watching for the smoke signals. You obviously have your sources?
Today's Australian aviation section features an article about Pikes resignation from the board. In the article he blames the Minister and CASA for deciding to give it away. I think it is more likely that it was the internal board politics and his weak stand against those that would not conform was really the reason.
Nevertheless, by blaming the Minister, Pike has now totally alienated AOPA from the main stream decision making process.
Unless the new board can overcome this, the future ability of AOPA to solve the problems of the day is very remote. Another reason to have a spill. I doubt if McKeown has the ability to do it and Hamilton certainly does not. Hopefully some of new names will get up and help regain the respectability the association once had. If not, then there is a good chance of an EGM in the not too distant future.
axiom The info is there, you just have to have the right contacts and keep your ear to the ground whilst watching for the smoke signals. You obviously have your sources?
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I do believe that you have perhaps got the wrong end of the stick here.
I have had a close look at snareks post and as far as I can tell, he has simply posted a list of persons that have nominated, who have told him so, and who he feels could make up a "ticket" for election of an effective Board.
You would be free to do so yourself with your "mate".
As far as the election is concerned,if I read the articles correctly, the Electoral Commission has no jurisdiction and it is in fact ASIC who would.
The magazine says clearly that it has appointed a company called I think "Elections Australia" who are in the business of running the mechanics and process of "elections" for those organisations who have the requirement but not the skills or resources.
There neither is, nor should there be, any secrecy about the nominations once they are closed, neither can or should the organisation that has hired them manipulate that process. This is after all a democratic process.
I have it on fairly good authority that apart from those memtioned above that:
Hamilton
McKeown
Murphy
Rudd
have all nominated and that the magazine will be out next Friday with the profiles.
Those who were not required to do so by virtue of the election process, should be applauded for acting in the spirit of the coming elections.
Lyons remains on the Board and is not required, in this election, to noiminate.
In the meantime the offer stands.
Anyone who wishes may state their case here.
Eeerm and if I've got that wrong or missed anybody, I hope somebody will correct me
I do believe that you have perhaps got the wrong end of the stick here.
I have had a close look at snareks post and as far as I can tell, he has simply posted a list of persons that have nominated, who have told him so, and who he feels could make up a "ticket" for election of an effective Board.
You would be free to do so yourself with your "mate".
As far as the election is concerned,if I read the articles correctly, the Electoral Commission has no jurisdiction and it is in fact ASIC who would.
The magazine says clearly that it has appointed a company called I think "Elections Australia" who are in the business of running the mechanics and process of "elections" for those organisations who have the requirement but not the skills or resources.
There neither is, nor should there be, any secrecy about the nominations once they are closed, neither can or should the organisation that has hired them manipulate that process. This is after all a democratic process.
I have it on fairly good authority that apart from those memtioned above that:
Hamilton
McKeown
Murphy
Rudd
have all nominated and that the magazine will be out next Friday with the profiles.
Those who were not required to do so by virtue of the election process, should be applauded for acting in the spirit of the coming elections.
Lyons remains on the Board and is not required, in this election, to noiminate.
In the meantime the offer stands.
Anyone who wishes may state their case here.
Eeerm and if I've got that wrong or missed anybody, I hope somebody will correct me
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We'll see woomera.
In the meantime, while all the Nero's are fiddling Rome is burning.
CASA are up to some darstardly deeds and it appears that they may reintroduce 3 year major inspections.
If you shaft Hamilton, who is going to take this on ? Someone acceptable to CASA perhaps ?
This will surely spell the death of GA in Australia if it is not attacked at the highest and most vocal level.
AOPA, indeed GA in this country needs someone to Kick doors down to get this message across, not some lunch time yuppie who may have a door open to them because they are not as abrasive as Bill.
The whole AOPA situation was caused because someone didn't like the column a members subscription was put in on the balance sheet.
Because of this, it is now open season on Hamilton and his "stooges" who didn't have anything to do with events.
Why do people resign, cause havok and then renominate ?
In the meantime, while all the Nero's are fiddling Rome is burning.
CASA are up to some darstardly deeds and it appears that they may reintroduce 3 year major inspections.
If you shaft Hamilton, who is going to take this on ? Someone acceptable to CASA perhaps ?
This will surely spell the death of GA in Australia if it is not attacked at the highest and most vocal level.
AOPA, indeed GA in this country needs someone to Kick doors down to get this message across, not some lunch time yuppie who may have a door open to them because they are not as abrasive as Bill.
The whole AOPA situation was caused because someone didn't like the column a members subscription was put in on the balance sheet.
Because of this, it is now open season on Hamilton and his "stooges" who didn't have anything to do with events.
Why do people resign, cause havok and then renominate ?
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Because I could not work with Bill Hamilton and John Lyon, that's why. I believe the same can be said for Russell Kelly. There are others who feel this way and you can wait for the magazie where they, I believe, are having their say.
Why do those who have never bothered to get involved before and are now only involved to protect someone, cause so much havok
AK
Because I could not work with Bill Hamilton and John Lyon, that's why. I believe the same can be said for Russell Kelly. There are others who feel this way and you can wait for the magazie where they, I believe, are having their say.
Why do those who have never bothered to get involved before and are now only involved to protect someone, cause so much havok
AK
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Thank you for your concern re my "outing" and yes, it is protocol to request permission from the user to do so.
To be fair, however, I have had a few telephone discussions with snarek prior to my nominating and it is possible that we discussed this very thing amongst a raft of other matters, so if forgiveness is necessary it is given.
I did identify myself to your friend Murphie and it has been my intention to do so anyway in case there are those who hadn't already made the connection.
Those who have frequented these halls for any period of time or make some simple enquiries have no trouble whatsoever in identifying me and I have never made any secret of who I am.
I used the gaunty "nic" when I first registered some moons ago as it is the 'actual' nickname that my friends and enemies have used for as long as I can remember.
Except my enemies probably attach some other descriptions.
I have to go to work now but I will dig up my AOPA profile later and publish it here FYI.
It is the inalienable right of users to remain anonymous here, absolutely without prejudice, but it would be interesting fun
were some of the other nominators??nominees?? who post here to out themselves.
Stay
Dont you just hate that when you are composing a post you get back to the thread and its moved on.
axiom
I dont thnk anyone disagrees with you that, AOPA need strong representation to the Government and Regulator, or the huge depth of knowledge and committment of Bill Hamilton in this regard.
But it is just not working as well as it should.
One definition of insanity is "continuing to do the same things the same way and expecting to get a different result", by which measure we are ALL probably a little bit insane.
We are ALL committed to the same result but need to work out how to make it work BETTER using ALL of the resources and individual skills available to us in the most effective and productive manner.
If this was REALLY happening we wouldn't be having this discussion.
May I suggest we both agree on this concept for a start and then we can move forward towards the attaining the main objective.
Thank you for your concern re my "outing" and yes, it is protocol to request permission from the user to do so.
To be fair, however, I have had a few telephone discussions with snarek prior to my nominating and it is possible that we discussed this very thing amongst a raft of other matters, so if forgiveness is necessary it is given.
I did identify myself to your friend Murphie and it has been my intention to do so anyway in case there are those who hadn't already made the connection.
Those who have frequented these halls for any period of time or make some simple enquiries have no trouble whatsoever in identifying me and I have never made any secret of who I am.
I used the gaunty "nic" when I first registered some moons ago as it is the 'actual' nickname that my friends and enemies have used for as long as I can remember.
Except my enemies probably attach some other descriptions.
I have to go to work now but I will dig up my AOPA profile later and publish it here FYI.
It is the inalienable right of users to remain anonymous here, absolutely without prejudice, but it would be interesting fun
were some of the other nominators??nominees?? who post here to out themselves.Stay
Dont you just hate that when you are composing a post you get back to the thread and its moved on.
axiom
I dont thnk anyone disagrees with you that, AOPA need strong representation to the Government and Regulator, or the huge depth of knowledge and committment of Bill Hamilton in this regard.
But it is just not working as well as it should.
One definition of insanity is "continuing to do the same things the same way and expecting to get a different result", by which measure we are ALL probably a little bit insane.
We are ALL committed to the same result but need to work out how to make it work BETTER using ALL of the resources and individual skills available to us in the most effective and productive manner.
If this was REALLY happening we wouldn't be having this discussion.
May I suggest we both agree on this concept for a start and then we can move forward towards the attaining the main objective.
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Gaunty;
Keeping all these "ego's" in check is called MAN MANAGEMENT, apologies to the fairer sex.
If we have a strong and forceful leader who knows what this phenomenom is all about, then HE / SHE should have no trouble in keeping things in check.
Just on this subject, it was said to me the other day, "What's the use of being President if nobody will do as he says".
I was always of the opinion that,
The association/company/whatever you call it, (AOPA), was there for the sole purpose of doing what it's members wanted, not 'El Presidente", and to "fly without unnecessary costs or restrictions" which envelopes the GA fraternity and even (Heaven forbid), extend to non members who would benefit from it's lobbying and research.
I'm not talking to snarek this week, so would you mind telling him for me that the reason things are simply not working is because there is a lack of man management skills and an unwillingness of some to see anything positive in things put forth by someone that they simply don't like.
AOPA doesn't really need a change of direction, but it does need a reinforcement of some loyalty values and perhaps give the members a bigger say.
Also for the rumour mongers, I think woomeras post is also inaccurate, but lets see when the magazine comes out.
When everyone shows their cards in the Mag, this forum may get a bigger airing of platforms and ideas and direction.
Gaunty, I need to see my psychiatrist and then I'll possibly talk to snarek next week.
I can't wait to see all the "hate Bill mail" in these profiles. Seems there won't be much room left to see what the nominees are really all about.
Keeping all these "ego's" in check is called MAN MANAGEMENT, apologies to the fairer sex.
If we have a strong and forceful leader who knows what this phenomenom is all about, then HE / SHE should have no trouble in keeping things in check.
Just on this subject, it was said to me the other day, "What's the use of being President if nobody will do as he says".
I was always of the opinion that,
The association/company/whatever you call it, (AOPA), was there for the sole purpose of doing what it's members wanted, not 'El Presidente", and to "fly without unnecessary costs or restrictions" which envelopes the GA fraternity and even (Heaven forbid), extend to non members who would benefit from it's lobbying and research.
I'm not talking to snarek this week, so would you mind telling him for me that the reason things are simply not working is because there is a lack of man management skills and an unwillingness of some to see anything positive in things put forth by someone that they simply don't like.
AOPA doesn't really need a change of direction, but it does need a reinforcement of some loyalty values and perhaps give the members a bigger say.
Also for the rumour mongers, I think woomeras post is also inaccurate, but lets see when the magazine comes out.
When everyone shows their cards in the Mag, this forum may get a bigger airing of platforms and ideas and direction.
Gaunty, I need to see my psychiatrist and then I'll possibly talk to snarek next week.
I can't wait to see all the "hate Bill mail" in these profiles. Seems there won't be much room left to see what the nominees are really all about.
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As you know, the election nominations have now closed, and although not being required to stand for elections this year, I have done so in the hope that a workable team can be elected to take on the CASA re-write with vigour. I am part of the team supported by "snarek". There are eleven vacancies on the board, and I am hopeful that this team of eleven will be supported by the members. All are committed, enthusiastic, and team-orientated. I am going to ask each of them to give permission for their election profiles to be posted on this site, to give the members the maximum possible time to consider each of the candidates - with any luck they will be posted within a couple of days, or as soon as I can round them all up.
Vote for TEAM AOPA:
Marjorie Pagani
Bill Pike
Mick Kennedy
Ron Lawford
Adrienne Williams
Trish Mahlberg
Ron Bertram
Gary Gaunt
Jane Errey
David MacDonald
Andrew Kerans
(and if we win this one, we'll probably tackle the next America's Cup!)
AOPA needs your vote, whether it's for this team or another.
Marjorie.
Vote for TEAM AOPA:
Marjorie Pagani
Bill Pike
Mick Kennedy
Ron Lawford
Adrienne Williams
Trish Mahlberg
Ron Bertram
Gary Gaunt
Jane Errey
David MacDonald
Andrew Kerans
(and if we win this one, we'll probably tackle the next America's Cup!)
AOPA needs your vote, whether it's for this team or another.
Marjorie.
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In another post I outlined the need for teamwork. I did so because there was and stil is no team work within the board of AOPA. To determine this one only need to look at the AOPA mag. and these forums, both this and AOPAs.
I am a CPL looking towards the airlines. I have been trained like every other pilot in Australia. To take command of my aircraft. I am in charge, this will be done this way. This is the "wrong stuff" for multi-crew ops.
I currently play 3 games of sport per week. I have play about a dozen sports in my life, with all but 2 being team sports. I have been a Team leader with an employee outside the aviation industry, and have done team leadership training programs.
I have teammates that I simple do not like. We last played in the finals.
My vote will not be for "Team AOPA".
Well said Planned Root.
I am a CPL looking towards the airlines. I have been trained like every other pilot in Australia. To take command of my aircraft. I am in charge, this will be done this way. This is the "wrong stuff" for multi-crew ops.
I currently play 3 games of sport per week. I have play about a dozen sports in my life, with all but 2 being team sports. I have been a Team leader with an employee outside the aviation industry, and have done team leadership training programs.
I have teammates that I simple do not like. We last played in the finals.
My vote will not be for "Team AOPA".
Well said Planned Root.
monkeyfly Whilst you obviously consider yourself a team player and indeed if you are that is a good thing.
However in stating that you will not support the "Team AOPA" you have omitted to say why or or you would support and why.
You are certainly correct in saying there has not been a team in the board for some time and the leadership I believe is to blame for that.
So it will be interesting to see what your views are on any alternative.
axiom So what's your "beef" with this "team" and what makes any alternative so much better? The number of nominations vs vacancies means that most will get in anyway!
However in stating that you will not support the "Team AOPA" you have omitted to say why or or you would support and why.
You are certainly correct in saying there has not been a team in the board for some time and the leadership I believe is to blame for that.
So it will be interesting to see what your views are on any alternative.
axiom So what's your "beef" with this "team" and what makes any alternative so much better? The number of nominations vs vacancies means that most will get in anyway!
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Thats just the problem cogwheel. I don't know who has nominated and won't until the magazine comes out.
The "team AOPA" appear to have been privy to some insider trading when you look at the prior predictions and the "team". A minor matter, they appear to have tried to convince all and sundry that these are the nominations and inded have Board approval to use the word AOPA as some sort of sanction or endorsement. I know for a fact, these are not all the nominations.
This is simply "team snarek" and to my knowledge has not been given any endorsement by the encumbent Board to use AOPA as their title.
Some other things;
I have been harping on pprune for some time for this lot to tell me what their accomplishments are and they have none to tell except to dare me to list mine.
This postee and his sponsor have more runs on the board and more scars to prove our run ins with CASA, including wins, than snarek and his crew have had hangovers.
Hamilton may be abrasive, but a lot of the time he is what is needed. To be advised by 3 separate sources within CASA that doors would be shut to Hamilton but open to Pagani, makes one wonder who we want to take the message to them.
Hamilton's results speak for themselves.
snareks crew have one agenda only, and, that is to get rid of Hamilton because he doesn't cow tow to them.
The mess the place is in now is directly and logarithmically proportional to their attacks from without when they resigned.
snarek's wife has nominated for the board, making it a family affair. How would this go at CASA HQ ?
Bob Murphie put a motion to the board for tabling at the next AGM and it was unilaterally rejected by Ms Pagani while she tried to foist another on the board which they rejected. I don't know what stage this is at now, but it stinks.
Murphie's motion was to foster the introduction of State Chapters over the next 12 month period and then ammend the Articles of Association (if everything worked favourably), to include same.
This concept had the majority support of the Board including Hamilton, but was rejected anyway.
Think about 7 States (incl Territory), having a permanent committee to pass policy, problems, ideas, on to a smaller board for implementation. something a bit like giving the organisation back to the members.
Think about this committee having a permanent 100 member proxy support from around the country that effectively would demand the Board never gets the chance to go off the rails again. This amount of proxies can call an EGM and demand lots of things. Remember snarek wanted an EGM for a spill but apparantly couldn't get the 100 supporters.
Think about now there is talk about the "team AOPA" adopting such a proposal as their own, but we'll think about it for the next 12 months.
Ask yourself, who would you rather have fight CASA over a proposal to reintroduce 3 yearly major inspections, this lot or Bill Hamilton and his so called "cronies" who have a success story to tell.
Ask yourself young monkeyfly, where you will get a job if GA is shafted by CASA with these sort of ideas.
Finally, until we see exactly who nominated, (not just a cross section of someone who is or may be on the "team AOPA"), and pick the fence sitters who have everything to gain by being included in one or more "teams", we won't know what is going on.
Believe it or not, I don't care, but there are Board members who are not privy to board decisions (read that as they have been sent to coventry), and these include Hamilton.
And really finally, if we do end up with fence sitters on the board because there are not many nominees, it still has the coroly to have a divided board. This is why we need a much smaller board and the 100 proxy committee to hold a gun at the heads of the incumbents to make sure they do the job properly and without divisions. This committee would be very powerful and obviously seen as a threat by power seekers. In the meantime the fence sitters should publically support one or the other.
The "team AOPA" appear to have been privy to some insider trading when you look at the prior predictions and the "team". A minor matter, they appear to have tried to convince all and sundry that these are the nominations and inded have Board approval to use the word AOPA as some sort of sanction or endorsement. I know for a fact, these are not all the nominations.
This is simply "team snarek" and to my knowledge has not been given any endorsement by the encumbent Board to use AOPA as their title.
Some other things;
I have been harping on pprune for some time for this lot to tell me what their accomplishments are and they have none to tell except to dare me to list mine.
This postee and his sponsor have more runs on the board and more scars to prove our run ins with CASA, including wins, than snarek and his crew have had hangovers.
Hamilton may be abrasive, but a lot of the time he is what is needed. To be advised by 3 separate sources within CASA that doors would be shut to Hamilton but open to Pagani, makes one wonder who we want to take the message to them.
Hamilton's results speak for themselves.
snareks crew have one agenda only, and, that is to get rid of Hamilton because he doesn't cow tow to them.
The mess the place is in now is directly and logarithmically proportional to their attacks from without when they resigned.
snarek's wife has nominated for the board, making it a family affair. How would this go at CASA HQ ?
Bob Murphie put a motion to the board for tabling at the next AGM and it was unilaterally rejected by Ms Pagani while she tried to foist another on the board which they rejected. I don't know what stage this is at now, but it stinks.
Murphie's motion was to foster the introduction of State Chapters over the next 12 month period and then ammend the Articles of Association (if everything worked favourably), to include same.
This concept had the majority support of the Board including Hamilton, but was rejected anyway.
Think about 7 States (incl Territory), having a permanent committee to pass policy, problems, ideas, on to a smaller board for implementation. something a bit like giving the organisation back to the members.
Think about this committee having a permanent 100 member proxy support from around the country that effectively would demand the Board never gets the chance to go off the rails again. This amount of proxies can call an EGM and demand lots of things. Remember snarek wanted an EGM for a spill but apparantly couldn't get the 100 supporters.
Think about now there is talk about the "team AOPA" adopting such a proposal as their own, but we'll think about it for the next 12 months.
Ask yourself, who would you rather have fight CASA over a proposal to reintroduce 3 yearly major inspections, this lot or Bill Hamilton and his so called "cronies" who have a success story to tell.
Ask yourself young monkeyfly, where you will get a job if GA is shafted by CASA with these sort of ideas.
Finally, until we see exactly who nominated, (not just a cross section of someone who is or may be on the "team AOPA"), and pick the fence sitters who have everything to gain by being included in one or more "teams", we won't know what is going on.
Believe it or not, I don't care, but there are Board members who are not privy to board decisions (read that as they have been sent to coventry), and these include Hamilton.
And really finally, if we do end up with fence sitters on the board because there are not many nominees, it still has the coroly to have a divided board. This is why we need a much smaller board and the 100 proxy committee to hold a gun at the heads of the incumbents to make sure they do the job properly and without divisions. This committee would be very powerful and obviously seen as a threat by power seekers. In the meantime the fence sitters should publically support one or the other.
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Monkeyfly,
Unfortunately your post didn't make any sense at all to me. You talk about being a team player (in sport) but refuse to vote for a team. You don't say why; you don't say you know any of the team; you don't offer an alternative - it is no wonder you have not been accepted into the airlines, with that sort of negative, unreasoned attitude. To be in command, which you talk about, requires taking command, and exhibiting some leadership qualities. These appear to be sadly lacking in your case. CRM requires these qualities, and this is what the airlines rely upon. What are you really trying to say, and why?
Unfortunately your post didn't make any sense at all to me. You talk about being a team player (in sport) but refuse to vote for a team. You don't say why; you don't say you know any of the team; you don't offer an alternative - it is no wonder you have not been accepted into the airlines, with that sort of negative, unreasoned attitude. To be in command, which you talk about, requires taking command, and exhibiting some leadership qualities. These appear to be sadly lacking in your case. CRM requires these qualities, and this is what the airlines rely upon. What are you really trying to say, and why?
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AOPA Board Nomination 2003
Profile: Gary Gaunt; Member No 48110.
Location; Perth W.A.
Licensed since 1962, ATPL, operated most of the single, multi and turbine fleet throughout Australia and parts of SE Asia.
I have a successful career in communication, negotiation, senior management and at Board level in all aspects of GA since 1967, including the first FBO in Australia; the first Commuter Airline; the first all weather operations for the heavy construction, mining, oil and gas industry; introduction of FIFO, safety audit procedures, premium turbine charter and sales and marketing of new Cessna aircraft.
I currently operate an Aviation Consultancy alongside my family construction interests.
The orderly process of regulatory and industry reform has, since the early eighties, become “derailed” by the operation of high profile personalities and agendas, without regard for the knowledge or experience of the historical development of the industry and regulations unique to Australian operating conditions. AOPA and its membership have become hostages, not partners, in this process.
Reference to and treatment of the Regulator and Government, as the “enemy”, says much of the past, it is a failure of the very reason for AOPAs existence and of our trust, it must now be put into the past, forever. I am committed to repair the ground amongst us all, for the resumption of constructive, mature and respectful dialogue between equals.
I seek election to the Board, to serve and help restore our AOPA’s severely diminished membership and the respect, relevancy and high stature formerly enjoyed by us, with Government, the Regulator and the Community.
Email: [email protected]
Profile: Gary Gaunt; Member No 48110.
Location; Perth W.A.
Licensed since 1962, ATPL, operated most of the single, multi and turbine fleet throughout Australia and parts of SE Asia.
I have a successful career in communication, negotiation, senior management and at Board level in all aspects of GA since 1967, including the first FBO in Australia; the first Commuter Airline; the first all weather operations for the heavy construction, mining, oil and gas industry; introduction of FIFO, safety audit procedures, premium turbine charter and sales and marketing of new Cessna aircraft.
I currently operate an Aviation Consultancy alongside my family construction interests.
The orderly process of regulatory and industry reform has, since the early eighties, become “derailed” by the operation of high profile personalities and agendas, without regard for the knowledge or experience of the historical development of the industry and regulations unique to Australian operating conditions. AOPA and its membership have become hostages, not partners, in this process.
Reference to and treatment of the Regulator and Government, as the “enemy”, says much of the past, it is a failure of the very reason for AOPAs existence and of our trust, it must now be put into the past, forever. I am committed to repair the ground amongst us all, for the resumption of constructive, mature and respectful dialogue between equals.
I seek election to the Board, to serve and help restore our AOPA’s severely diminished membership and the respect, relevancy and high stature formerly enjoyed by us, with Government, the Regulator and the Community.
Email: [email protected]
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Hello,
There have been some question as to why I do not support "team AOPA". The information is in front of all, both the AOPA mag and these forums. Make up your own mind.
At this time I feel unprepared to offer alternatives due to the need for more infomation, refer to parts of axiom's post above.
P.S.
You said that I've applied for the airlines???
Axiom, your comment re where I will work, If anyone need any tree pruning services, please e-mail.
There have been some question as to why I do not support "team AOPA". The information is in front of all, both the AOPA mag and these forums. Make up your own mind.
At this time I feel unprepared to offer alternatives due to the need for more infomation, refer to parts of axiom's post above.
P.S.
You said that I've applied for the airlines???
Axiom, your comment re where I will work, If anyone need any tree pruning services, please e-mail.
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maxima;
Perhaps monkeyfly is trying to say, that given as there has only been one "team" put up to date he doesn't like what he sees.
Talk about CRM, no wonder he's not in the airlines if there are people out there who do the hireing based on how someone votes.
Do you vote on results or on promises maxima ?
If you have'nt seen an alternative, how can you voice your opinion ?
Or,,,, have you a copy of the magazine already ?
bugga ?
Perhaps monkeyfly is trying to say, that given as there has only been one "team" put up to date he doesn't like what he sees.
Talk about CRM, no wonder he's not in the airlines if there are people out there who do the hireing based on how someone votes.
Do you vote on results or on promises maxima ?
If you have'nt seen an alternative, how can you voice your opinion ?
Or,,,, have you a copy of the magazine already ?
bugga ?
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To Gary Gaunt,
Thank you. (No sarcasm)
"The orderly process of regulatory and industry reform has, since the early eighties, become “derailed” by the operation of high profile personalities and agendas, without regard for the knowledge or experience of the historical development of the industry and regulations unique to Australian operating conditions. AOPA and its membership have become hostages, not partners, in this process." (Gary Gaunt)
This can have a lot of meanings and interpertations. Are you able to expand on these before the elections. I may be best in the AOPA mag??
Also, you note that CASA are not the enemy. I have hear a quote from a trusted source who overheard two senor CASA people. "There should be only two forms of aviation, Airlines and miltary". Your thoughts please.
People please note, I am looking for information!
Thank you. (No sarcasm)
"The orderly process of regulatory and industry reform has, since the early eighties, become “derailed” by the operation of high profile personalities and agendas, without regard for the knowledge or experience of the historical development of the industry and regulations unique to Australian operating conditions. AOPA and its membership have become hostages, not partners, in this process." (Gary Gaunt)
This can have a lot of meanings and interpertations. Are you able to expand on these before the elections. I may be best in the AOPA mag??
Also, you note that CASA are not the enemy. I have hear a quote from a trusted source who overheard two senor CASA people. "There should be only two forms of aviation, Airlines and miltary". Your thoughts please.
People please note, I am looking for information!