CIR and PIR
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Hi,
I would like to hear from anyone in the know re the Private Instrument rating and the MECIR. I heard that you can pay $10 at the CASA office and they will give you your Private Instrument rating if you already have your MECIR. Is this correct ? What limitations are there and is it worthwhile doing it if this is indeed correct??
Thanks in anticipation
SQUALL
I would like to hear from anyone in the know re the Private Instrument rating and the MECIR. I heard that you can pay $10 at the CASA office and they will give you your Private Instrument rating if you already have your MECIR. Is this correct ? What limitations are there and is it worthwhile doing it if this is indeed correct??
Thanks in anticipation
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Whether a PIFR is worthwhile depends on your circumstances. I have both and it has some advantages for me; but the bulk of my flying is Private Operations. There is no difference AT ALL in the standards applied to the training or testing, between a PIFR and a CIR.
According to the CAAP on PIFR, a person who holds a current grade of command instrument rating may be issued with a equivalent grade of PIFR without a test. Application for the PIFR is made on the PIFR flight test form. Check out the regs on the CASA site.
According to the CAAP on PIFR, a person who holds a current grade of command instrument rating may be issued with a equivalent grade of PIFR without a test. Application for the PIFR is made on the PIFR flight test form. Check out the regs on the CASA site.
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I got one at mt last renewal simply by filling in the PIFR test form aswell as the renewal form. No extra charge or testing.
I have no use for one at the moment but figured it was worth having just in case.
If your flying as an FO, renewals may only be as co-pilot, and as a result private flights may be undertaken with the PIFR. As already mentioned it has no expiry and depending on your circumstances, why not?
I have no use for one at the moment but figured it was worth having just in case.
If your flying as an FO, renewals may only be as co-pilot, and as a result private flights may be undertaken with the PIFR. As already mentioned it has no expiry and depending on your circumstances, why not?
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well basically the PIFR is just that... a PIFR
You can't use it for a commercial operation! It also has different expiry periods etc...
Well thats my understanding of it!
Anyone, Correct me if im wrong!
Defiant
You can't use it for a commercial operation! It also has different expiry periods etc...
Well thats my understanding of it!
Anyone, Correct me if im wrong!
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The correct terminology is "Private Operations Instrument Flight Rules" rating; which means that it cannot be used in commercial ops.
It is perpetual with your licence, and like the licence requires biannual reviews.
There are no recency limitations on application of IAL or other procedures, other than the pilots good sense.
All procedures other than initial en-route qualifications, require separate Flight Procedure Authorisations (FPA); but all procedures are available under the PIFR - Night IFR, SIDs, STARs, ILS, IAL, GPS etc etc. It can be SE, ME or both. The killer is that to do them all would mean a separate flight test for each (unless that has changed recently) and the cost would make a CIR cheap by comparison.
My first IR was the PIFR because the vast bulk of my ops were private, but I needed to be able to fly all wx. It was useful then and still is, even with the MECIR on top.
Despite the doomsayers who knocked it initially, there has NOT been any examples of PIFR holders busting their limitations to do IALs etc outside their qualifications (at least I've not heard of any).
Cheers.
It is perpetual with your licence, and like the licence requires biannual reviews.
There are no recency limitations on application of IAL or other procedures, other than the pilots good sense.
All procedures other than initial en-route qualifications, require separate Flight Procedure Authorisations (FPA); but all procedures are available under the PIFR - Night IFR, SIDs, STARs, ILS, IAL, GPS etc etc. It can be SE, ME or both. The killer is that to do them all would mean a separate flight test for each (unless that has changed recently) and the cost would make a CIR cheap by comparison.
My first IR was the PIFR because the vast bulk of my ops were private, but I needed to be able to fly all wx. It was useful then and still is, even with the MECIR on top.
Despite the doomsayers who knocked it initially, there has NOT been any examples of PIFR holders busting their limitations to do IALs etc outside their qualifications (at least I've not heard of any).
Cheers.
