Eagle Air Interviewing Part Two
are you ok komatua?
your four posts are full of misery. things are not rosy?
The fact is the interviewer sets the standard. its their perogitive. If you want in, you anti up and play your hand as best you can. They dont have to justify their process as long as there are people turning up to play.
who knows, maybe they'll add a kareoke session....
your four posts are full of misery. things are not rosy?
The fact is the interviewer sets the standard. its their perogitive. If you want in, you anti up and play your hand as best you can. They dont have to justify their process as long as there are people turning up to play.
who knows, maybe they'll add a kareoke session....
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Komatua, you not talking much cents BRO
Just an outside perspecrive, but why would bro with such passionate feelings about these "tossers" follow the hiring grapevine so closely.
You talking more like unkil bully than a Komatua
You talking more like unkil bully than a Komatua
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Several questions appear to remain unanswered, without going back through the thread I will attempt to carry on where BP left off...
In the past Eagle has employed 400hr CPL's with a brand new I.R. Most of these joined the bottom of the seniority list at a time when the Majors were stagnant and there was little movement. Buy the time their number came up for a command they had plenty of time on type and total time. The important thing they had or did was to know the boss or one of his mates, or be able to push his buttons.
About 1/2 a doz have achieved this in the last 10 years or so don't rely on this method.
In times of rapid movement in the industry or when there is a surplus of applicants, the bar is raised. The sights are focused on those who can slot into the left seat sooner rather than later. Eagle is not in the business of employing career co-pilots. (although they have managed one or two!)
The trip to Toronto for the Sim training costs the company between 20 and 25k so don't blame them for wanting to find out if you can fly straight and level in the Ardmore trainer before you go.
The head shrinking stuff is done by an outside contractor and is hopefully to weed out those with issues going on (possibly regarding sim instructors/partners or having to sit in the right hand seat with that senior Eagle Captain that wouldn't be able to pass the current interview process).
There will always be an element of "who you know" those that publicly vent their bitterness will ultimately get a name for themselves and despite possibly being very good operators, may miss out simply because they opened their mouth at the wrong time in front of the wrong person. (the fat chick you bag at the christmas do might just be the Chief pilot's wife!).
The 1900 isn't the space shuttle but it can get busy, if you can't show the company that you are capable of being disciplined then you won't get a look in.
Eagle doesn't owe anyone a job, if someone you know gets in and you haven't yet, don't abuse them, rather pick their brains.
The biggest thing not to do is catching S.A.R.S in Toronto and giving it to your training captain!
In the past Eagle has employed 400hr CPL's with a brand new I.R. Most of these joined the bottom of the seniority list at a time when the Majors were stagnant and there was little movement. Buy the time their number came up for a command they had plenty of time on type and total time. The important thing they had or did was to know the boss or one of his mates, or be able to push his buttons.
About 1/2 a doz have achieved this in the last 10 years or so don't rely on this method.
In times of rapid movement in the industry or when there is a surplus of applicants, the bar is raised. The sights are focused on those who can slot into the left seat sooner rather than later. Eagle is not in the business of employing career co-pilots. (although they have managed one or two!)
The trip to Toronto for the Sim training costs the company between 20 and 25k so don't blame them for wanting to find out if you can fly straight and level in the Ardmore trainer before you go.
The head shrinking stuff is done by an outside contractor and is hopefully to weed out those with issues going on (possibly regarding sim instructors/partners or having to sit in the right hand seat with that senior Eagle Captain that wouldn't be able to pass the current interview process).
There will always be an element of "who you know" those that publicly vent their bitterness will ultimately get a name for themselves and despite possibly being very good operators, may miss out simply because they opened their mouth at the wrong time in front of the wrong person. (the fat chick you bag at the christmas do might just be the Chief pilot's wife!).
The 1900 isn't the space shuttle but it can get busy, if you can't show the company that you are capable of being disciplined then you won't get a look in.
Eagle doesn't owe anyone a job, if someone you know gets in and you haven't yet, don't abuse them, rather pick their brains.
The biggest thing not to do is catching S.A.R.S in Toronto and giving it to your training captain!
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Question re. B1900
Sorry to take this off thread (again) - Sepsoff - you say the B1900 ain't the Space Shuttle, so you may have experience of the type. out of interest just how fast is the 3x daily B1900 that blasts over my roof and then over the lake downwind for Rotovegas Intl? I'm guessing that you guys are close to 200knots until you get to about 2000ft - is this me just being paranoid, but you guys seem to motor!
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Following on you have to remember that Eagle fly to a lot of places where there are only NDB app's and some of them can get quite dirty especially on a dark winters night, No A/Pilot to help out.
Eagle know from past experince that just cos someone rocks up with a Instrument rating dosen't mean they can fly IFR, when I was training there years ago it staggered me the amount of basic IFR skills that "some" people didn't have when they turned up, couldn't work out descends, dist around arc's, Hdg bug use, procedual rules, drift allowances/corrections so chucking them in a sim for a quick strop is a good idea and will probably save them some cash in the long run. (and the training cptns hair!!)
On the old metro you could join the ILS on Barbers Pole
(246kts) and be configured by 1500ft or be BP to 5-6nm on a visual app straight in..
Joining downwind at 10,000ft and flying a normal circuit to Ldg was another cool trick.
Eagle know from past experince that just cos someone rocks up with a Instrument rating dosen't mean they can fly IFR, when I was training there years ago it staggered me the amount of basic IFR skills that "some" people didn't have when they turned up, couldn't work out descends, dist around arc's, Hdg bug use, procedual rules, drift allowances/corrections so chucking them in a sim for a quick strop is a good idea and will probably save them some cash in the long run. (and the training cptns hair!!)
On the old metro you could join the ILS on Barbers Pole
(246kts) and be configured by 1500ft or be BP to 5-6nm on a visual app straight in..Joining downwind at 10,000ft and flying a normal circuit to Ldg was another cool trick.
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Mr Sewell
Nope, RS is not longer at Eagle and not for some time either.
He left Eagle about 4 years ago to do a bible college degree in Tauranga (NZ)
I bumped into him several months ago and said he was keen to get back into flying, but no-one knows where he is now (at least no one I know).
He is a great guy, so would be good to see him back in the saddle, but for now the man upstairs has him under his wings.
He left Eagle about 4 years ago to do a bible college degree in Tauranga (NZ)
I bumped into him several months ago and said he was keen to get back into flying, but no-one knows where he is now (at least no one I know).
He is a great guy, so would be good to see him back in the saddle, but for now the man upstairs has him under his wings.
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Seems to be a lot of banter about the interviewing process....
Something I don't think you'll be able to change.
Why not just front up with a good understanding of the requirements of 2 pilot IFR ATOps / procedures and take it from there....
Something I don't think you'll be able to change.
Why not just front up with a good understanding of the requirements of 2 pilot IFR ATOps / procedures and take it from there....
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CT7
I bet thats not what you did a little while back, a tad more study was done I think
Good luck to all the Eagle wantabes, It is a great company with lots of great guys to work with and it has a fantastaic reputation with the likes of Air NZ and Cathay, just look at the numbers of ex Eagle guys that have got jobs on heavy jets in the last 5 years, easily double if not 4x that of Air nelson.
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ex Eagle driver
I almost mis that bandit
I bet thats not what you did a little while back, a tad more study was done I think
Good luck to all the Eagle wantabes, It is a great company with lots of great guys to work with and it has a fantastaic reputation with the likes of Air NZ and Cathay, just look at the numbers of ex Eagle guys that have got jobs on heavy jets in the last 5 years, easily double if not 4x that of Air nelson.
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I almost mis that bandit
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FK,
Actually it was, maybe even less being young & naive and all that.
Anyway what would you know about flying!! You're always off on holiday!! This beach here, that island there, man what a life.... Miss that Bandit, as the tui add says, Yeah, Right!
However the last interview I did, was a bit different!
My point being, that if you have a good all round knowledge (ie not just SPIFR on the same route day after day, and occassionally read some books) then you could all but discard most of the previous 7 pages.
The Air NZ thing, well, Command time made a big difference with them (given how quickly they moved in Eagle) most of the Left seaters are quite firmly fixed with this (NSN) company and don't want to move.
However, 5 F/Os with interviews in the next 2 months (& 2 Captains recently accepted, 1 Capt and 2 F/Os with "Yes" letters) that is slowly being addressed.
Eagle should be looking for some more pilots soon if Cathay take off again too. Flying Kiwi maybe able to shed some light on that one
Actually it was, maybe even less being young & naive and all that.
Anyway what would you know about flying!! You're always off on holiday!! This beach here, that island there, man what a life....
Miss that Bandit, as the tui add says, Yeah, Right!However the last interview I did, was a bit different!
My point being, that if you have a good all round knowledge (ie not just SPIFR on the same route day after day, and occassionally read some books) then you could all but discard most of the previous 7 pages.
The Air NZ thing, well, Command time made a big difference with them (given how quickly they moved in Eagle) most of the Left seaters are quite firmly fixed with this (NSN) company and don't want to move.
However, 5 F/Os with interviews in the next 2 months (& 2 Captains recently accepted, 1 Capt and 2 F/Os with "Yes" letters) that is slowly being addressed.
Eagle should be looking for some more pilots soon if Cathay take off again too. Flying Kiwi maybe able to shed some light on that one
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CT7,
Where would you suggest aspiring regional wannabes get this good understanding of 2 Pilot IFR ATOPS if they are not or have never been in a 2 pilot environment.
Is there some recommended reading you could prescribe.... being a successful AirNZ candidate 'n all
Cheers
S2K
Why not just front up with a good understanding of the requirements of 2 pilot IFR ATOps / procedures and take it from there....
Is there some recommended reading you could prescribe.... being a successful AirNZ candidate 'n all
Cheers
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Yeah, OK Slackbladder. Fair cop!
My point being, try to get as much "varied" experience as possible. I've seen too many get into the cosy Aero Club job and never leave their comfort zone, and realise too late.
I know that does not apply to you, although the missus might like the stability....
My point being, try to get as much "varied" experience as possible. I've seen too many get into the cosy Aero Club job and never leave their comfort zone, and realise too late.
I know that does not apply to you, although the missus might like the stability....
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Ha ha ha.. CT7 just reread your post, realise who I was then
we dont holiday too much.. did you hear about our Jburg trip??
Enjoy your ANZ course.
regarding the thread, sounds like its all moving again CX are interviewing the guys who were booked into there seconds a few months ago. so hopefully that will filter down to the you guys.
With reference to sunair pilots i know some very good ones that have come from there and some not so good ones, i remember one being chopped from Eagle a couple of years ago.
we dont holiday too much.. did you hear about our Jburg trip??
Enjoy your ANZ course.
regarding the thread, sounds like its all moving again CX are interviewing the guys who were booked into there seconds a few months ago. so hopefully that will filter down to the you guys.
With reference to sunair pilots i know some very good ones that have come from there and some not so good ones, i remember one being chopped from Eagle a couple of years ago.
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