ex-Ansett drivers enjoy the high life in Air Mekong
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ex-Ansett drivers enjoy the high life in Air Mekong
Fancy a romantic stopover in Siem Reap, home of the famous Angkor Wot temples?
The ex-AN 737 pilots now flying out of Phnom Penh for Air Mekong (on tourist visas?), and earning fabulous tax-free USD salaries, might be able to give you an insight into how wonderful things are there.
A short drive from this single runway airport along a dusty road, will find you checking in at the 100 room Angkor Hotel, Road Number 6, opposite Diethelm Travel - the accomodation of choice for the cabin and cockpit crews of Air Mekong, Cambodia`s newest start-up airline, running a "fleet" of 1 B737-500 leased aircraft.
A far cry from the days when these same aviators would alight from their chaffeur driven limousines, and check into the Hyatt or Hilton, each allocated SEPARATE rooms. Today ALL (3/4) cabin crew are given ONE room and the cockpit crew (2) ONE room, to share.
A happy airline? As with most Asians, the outward appearance often belies what lies beneath, for whilst most of the ex-Air Cambodge cabin crew are happy to be back flying, the Khmer co-pilots who were previously employed by RAC have found themselves displaced by the ex-AN people - something the PREVIOUS white men there did NOT do!
Neither is the "reputation" and "history" of the current ex-AN cockpit crew there not unknown.
For although the word "SCAB" means little to the Khmer, used in the context of "one who takes another person`s job", the Cambodians in Air Mekong are now able to realise why these individuals have been rejected from Australian aviation.
And a special "Chiem reap sewa" to Capt Schlonger aka KaptinX, from his acquaintances in Singapore.
The ex-AN 737 pilots now flying out of Phnom Penh for Air Mekong (on tourist visas?), and earning fabulous tax-free USD salaries, might be able to give you an insight into how wonderful things are there.
A short drive from this single runway airport along a dusty road, will find you checking in at the 100 room Angkor Hotel, Road Number 6, opposite Diethelm Travel - the accomodation of choice for the cabin and cockpit crews of Air Mekong, Cambodia`s newest start-up airline, running a "fleet" of 1 B737-500 leased aircraft.
A far cry from the days when these same aviators would alight from their chaffeur driven limousines, and check into the Hyatt or Hilton, each allocated SEPARATE rooms. Today ALL (3/4) cabin crew are given ONE room and the cockpit crew (2) ONE room, to share.
A happy airline? As with most Asians, the outward appearance often belies what lies beneath, for whilst most of the ex-Air Cambodge cabin crew are happy to be back flying, the Khmer co-pilots who were previously employed by RAC have found themselves displaced by the ex-AN people - something the PREVIOUS white men there did NOT do!
Neither is the "reputation" and "history" of the current ex-AN cockpit crew there not unknown.
For although the word "SCAB" means little to the Khmer, used in the context of "one who takes another person`s job", the Cambodians in Air Mekong are now able to realise why these individuals have been rejected from Australian aviation.
And a special "Chiem reap sewa" to Capt Schlonger aka KaptinX, from his acquaintances in Singapore.
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In another life 300 or so moons ago, the company for whom I then worked and had oversight of SE ASIAN OPS had a contract with Air Cambodge to provide jet services to supplement their DC4 (if I recall) and to take advantage of their reciprocal rights arouond the place.
We hung in there until Pol Pot and his friends could take pot shots and the inevitable evacuation.
'Twas a huge tragedy that should not have been alowed to happen.
Great to see them getting back into the world.
I will never ever forget the heart wrenching speech by Dr Haing Ngor at the National Press Club in Canberra, pleading for all Cambodians exiled and/or living abroad to return and use their skills and training obtained wherever they were to help reconstruct the country.
He maintained that they owed it to their country.
This is the same Haing Ngor whose harrowing story was revealed in the movie "Killing Fields".
And just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water, he gets taken out by an Asian Street gang in LA.
He survives the horror of the Killing Fields and dies for a piece of jewellery. There is no justice in this world.
Whoever and however is working there should have regard and sensitivity for the background and the plight of a country still emerging from a very dark part of their history.
We hung in there until Pol Pot and his friends could take pot shots and the inevitable evacuation.
'Twas a huge tragedy that should not have been alowed to happen.
Great to see them getting back into the world.
I will never ever forget the heart wrenching speech by Dr Haing Ngor at the National Press Club in Canberra, pleading for all Cambodians exiled and/or living abroad to return and use their skills and training obtained wherever they were to help reconstruct the country.
He maintained that they owed it to their country.
This is the same Haing Ngor whose harrowing story was revealed in the movie "Killing Fields".
And just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water, he gets taken out by an Asian Street gang in LA.
He survives the horror of the Killing Fields and dies for a piece of jewellery. There is no justice in this world.
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Spreading the Word of the Cambodian GenocideDATE=4/16/98
TYPE=CORRESPONDENT REPORT
NUMBER=2-229782
TITLE=HAING NGOR VERDICT (L)
BYLINE=MIKE O'SULLIVAN
DATELINE=LOS ANGELES
CONTENT=
VOICED AT:
INTRO: THREE MEMBERS OF AN ASIAN-AMERICAN YOUTH GANG HAVE BEEN
FOUND GUILTY OF KILLING HAING NGOR, THE CAMBODIAN DOCTOR AND
ACTOR WHO FOUND FAME FOR HIS ROLE IN THE FILM "THE KILLING
FIELDS." MIKE O'SULLIVAN REPORTS THE CASE WAS UNUSUAL IN THAT
THREE SEPARATE JURIES DECIDED THE FATE OF THE DEFENDANTS..
TEXT: PROSECUTORS SAY THE THREE MEMBERS OF THE "ORIENTAL LAZY
BOYZ" STREET GANG -- JASON CHAN, INDRA LIM, AND TAK SUN TAN --
WERE SEEKING A VICTIM THAT SUNDAY NIGHT TWO YEARS AGO.
ACCOMPLISHED THIEVES, THEY ROUTINELY STOLE JEWELRY, WHICH THEY
SOLD FOR MONEY TO BUY DRUGS.
THE THREE SAW HAING NGOR DRIVE INTO THE OPEN CARPORT OF HIS
CHINATOWN APARTMENT. THEY CONFRONTED HIM AT GUNPOINT, TOOK HIS
SIX-THOUSAND-DOLLAR ROLEX WATCH, AND SHOT HIM WHEN HE REFUSED TO
TURN OVER A LOCKET WITH A PICTURE OF HIS LATE WIFE. HAING NGOR'S
WIFE DIED IN CHILDBIRTH IN CAMBODIA.
THREE SEPARATE JURIES HEARD THE CASE, AND ALL AGREED WITH THAT
VERSION OF EVENTS. AS THE VERDICTS WERE READ THURSDAY MORNING,
EACH DEFENDANT WAS FOUND GUILTY OF PREMEDITATED, FIRST-DEGREE
MURDER, AND SECOND-DEGREE ROBBERY. THE JURIES COULD NOT
DETERMINE WHICH MAN USED THE FIREARM.
ONE DEFENSE ATTORNEY SAYS SHE IS SHOCKED AT THE VERDICTS.
DEFENSE LAWYERS POINTED OUT THAT SOME THREE-THOUSAND-DOLLARS IN
CASH WAS LEFT IN THE LUXURY CAR AFTER THE SHOOTING, WHICH WOULD
BE UNLIKELY IN THE CASE OF ROBBERY. AND TWO WITNESSES WHO
INITIALLY SAID THEY SAW THE DEFENDANTS RUN FROM THE SCENE LATER
CHANGED THEIR STORY.
PROSECUTOR CRAIG HUM RESPONDED THAT THE WITNESSES WERE OBVIOUSLY
FRIGHTENED, AND SUGGESTED THEY WERE INTIMIDATED BY GANG MEMBERS.
AND HE SAID THE THREE THIEVES WERE LOOKING FOR JEWELRY, NOT
MONEY.
HAING NGOR WAS ACTIVE IN THE CAMBODIAN REFUGEE COMMUNITY, AND
THERE WERE RUMORS THE KILLING WAS A POLITICAL ASSASSINATION. BUT
NO EVIDENCE WAS PRESENTED IN COURT SUPPORTING THAT THEORY.
HAING NGOR ESCAPED FROM CAMBODIA IN 1980, AND WON AN ACADEMY
AWARD FOR HIS ROLE AS A PHOTOJOURNALIST IN A 1984 FILM -- "THE
KILLING FIELDS" -- WHICH DEPICTED THE CAMBODIAN GENOCIDE.
THE THREE MEN CONVICTED OF THE KILLING FACE POSSIBLE SENTENCES OF
LIFE IN PRISON. SENTENCING IS SCHEDULED FOR MAY 19TH. (SIGNED)
NEB/MO/MMK
Spreading the Word of the Cambodian GenocideDATE=4/16/98
TYPE=CORRESPONDENT REPORT
NUMBER=2-229782
TITLE=HAING NGOR VERDICT (L)
BYLINE=MIKE O'SULLIVAN
DATELINE=LOS ANGELES
CONTENT=
VOICED AT:
INTRO: THREE MEMBERS OF AN ASIAN-AMERICAN YOUTH GANG HAVE BEEN
FOUND GUILTY OF KILLING HAING NGOR, THE CAMBODIAN DOCTOR AND
ACTOR WHO FOUND FAME FOR HIS ROLE IN THE FILM "THE KILLING
FIELDS." MIKE O'SULLIVAN REPORTS THE CASE WAS UNUSUAL IN THAT
THREE SEPARATE JURIES DECIDED THE FATE OF THE DEFENDANTS..
TEXT: PROSECUTORS SAY THE THREE MEMBERS OF THE "ORIENTAL LAZY
BOYZ" STREET GANG -- JASON CHAN, INDRA LIM, AND TAK SUN TAN --
WERE SEEKING A VICTIM THAT SUNDAY NIGHT TWO YEARS AGO.
ACCOMPLISHED THIEVES, THEY ROUTINELY STOLE JEWELRY, WHICH THEY
SOLD FOR MONEY TO BUY DRUGS.
THE THREE SAW HAING NGOR DRIVE INTO THE OPEN CARPORT OF HIS
CHINATOWN APARTMENT. THEY CONFRONTED HIM AT GUNPOINT, TOOK HIS
SIX-THOUSAND-DOLLAR ROLEX WATCH, AND SHOT HIM WHEN HE REFUSED TO
TURN OVER A LOCKET WITH A PICTURE OF HIS LATE WIFE. HAING NGOR'S
WIFE DIED IN CHILDBIRTH IN CAMBODIA.
THREE SEPARATE JURIES HEARD THE CASE, AND ALL AGREED WITH THAT
VERSION OF EVENTS. AS THE VERDICTS WERE READ THURSDAY MORNING,
EACH DEFENDANT WAS FOUND GUILTY OF PREMEDITATED, FIRST-DEGREE
MURDER, AND SECOND-DEGREE ROBBERY. THE JURIES COULD NOT
DETERMINE WHICH MAN USED THE FIREARM.
ONE DEFENSE ATTORNEY SAYS SHE IS SHOCKED AT THE VERDICTS.
DEFENSE LAWYERS POINTED OUT THAT SOME THREE-THOUSAND-DOLLARS IN
CASH WAS LEFT IN THE LUXURY CAR AFTER THE SHOOTING, WHICH WOULD
BE UNLIKELY IN THE CASE OF ROBBERY. AND TWO WITNESSES WHO
INITIALLY SAID THEY SAW THE DEFENDANTS RUN FROM THE SCENE LATER
CHANGED THEIR STORY.
PROSECUTOR CRAIG HUM RESPONDED THAT THE WITNESSES WERE OBVIOUSLY
FRIGHTENED, AND SUGGESTED THEY WERE INTIMIDATED BY GANG MEMBERS.
AND HE SAID THE THREE THIEVES WERE LOOKING FOR JEWELRY, NOT
MONEY.
HAING NGOR WAS ACTIVE IN THE CAMBODIAN REFUGEE COMMUNITY, AND
THERE WERE RUMORS THE KILLING WAS A POLITICAL ASSASSINATION. BUT
NO EVIDENCE WAS PRESENTED IN COURT SUPPORTING THAT THEORY.
HAING NGOR ESCAPED FROM CAMBODIA IN 1980, AND WON AN ACADEMY
AWARD FOR HIS ROLE AS A PHOTOJOURNALIST IN A 1984 FILM -- "THE
KILLING FIELDS" -- WHICH DEPICTED THE CAMBODIAN GENOCIDE.
THE THREE MEN CONVICTED OF THE KILLING FACE POSSIBLE SENTENCES OF
LIFE IN PRISON. SENTENCING IS SCHEDULED FOR MAY 19TH. (SIGNED)
NEB/MO/MMK
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Lostem, methinks you mistake my "bitterness" for what is, in fact, FACT - and amusement!
Perhaps, elektra - "character-building" was the terminology used, from memory.
`Tis all too true of Cambodia, W. The plea for Khmers to return with their expertise (and dollars) was usually rewarded with the line, "We`re from the Government, and we`re here to help you. You will need to agree to give ME 20% of your gross turnover, before we can proceed, however...and without MY help, you can go no farther."
To add a little more to the opening story, Air Mekong does not have trays for serving beverages to pax, however the F/A`s have been able to procure trays that had previously "disappeared" from Royal Air Cambodge - for a price, of course!
A little like one of the Russian captains employed there before - he was paying one of the RAC "managers" 20% of his salary to keep his position.
Character building.
Perhaps, elektra - "character-building" was the terminology used, from memory.
`Tis all too true of Cambodia, W. The plea for Khmers to return with their expertise (and dollars) was usually rewarded with the line, "We`re from the Government, and we`re here to help you. You will need to agree to give ME 20% of your gross turnover, before we can proceed, however...and without MY help, you can go no farther."
To add a little more to the opening story, Air Mekong does not have trays for serving beverages to pax, however the F/A`s have been able to procure trays that had previously "disappeared" from Royal Air Cambodge - for a price, of course!
A little like one of the Russian captains employed there before - he was paying one of the RAC "managers" 20% of his salary to keep his position.
Character building.
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That may be what the situation is now, but it is exactly why Ngor was campaigning for the return of the educated and socially sophisticated exiles to prevent that very thing.
His death was a great loss to Cambodia in particular and the world in general.
Another of the twists of fate and Chaos theory, that like the "butterfly flapping its wings in the S. American jungle" triggers the Typhoon in Asia . (Slasher where are you we all miss you mate., c'mon I know you are out there.)
Perhaps, and this is a personal opinion only, they find the "comforts" of wherever they now, outweigh any sentiments that they may have for the place of their birth.
And this IMHO is the problem we have all over the world, people are looking for the easy and comfortable way out, rather than staying and participating in fixing the problem.
That may be what the situation is now, but it is exactly why Ngor was campaigning for the return of the educated and socially sophisticated exiles to prevent that very thing.
His death was a great loss to Cambodia in particular and the world in general.
Another of the twists of fate and Chaos theory, that like the "butterfly flapping its wings in the S. American jungle" triggers the Typhoon in Asia . (Slasher where are you we all miss you mate., c'mon I know you are out there.)
Perhaps, and this is a personal opinion only, they find the "comforts" of wherever they now, outweigh any sentiments that they may have for the place of their birth.
And this IMHO is the problem we have all over the world, people are looking for the easy and comfortable way out, rather than staying and participating in fixing the problem.
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Personally, W, I believe that overt "payment for favours" (we call it corruption in the Western world) has long been a "way of life" for most Asian cultures.
It is something foreign to US, but not to most Asians, because they have grown up with it as part and parcel of their daily life.
Those Asians who have had "exposure" to Western societies, and who have seen that to prosper in the West, where it is not necessary to bribe officialdom (usually!!), are somewhat naieve if they believe that the same system will be ACCEPTED within their own countries. The people who are in a position to stop it, are those who would be the MOST disadvantaged!
Trying to import this into a society (such as Cambodia), is akin to King Canut attempting to stop the tide.
Even in Japan - considered one of the more "westernised" Asian countries, there is hardly a week that doesn't pass without SOME high-ranking official being exposed for receiving massive kickbacks.
It is deeply ingrained, and continues today at many levels, whereas previously it was more confined to the "upper" echelons.
Cambodia's Prime Minister, Hun Sen, is an ex Khmer Rouge soldier - but are we ever likely to see him brought to trial? Little wonder Pol Pot was able to "evade" the Government troops until the day he died of natural causes.
Are the wives of Cambodian high-ranking officials, who pay hitmen to throw acid in the faces of their husband's concubines ever brought to justice?
The comfort that ill-gotten money buys, ensures the answer is "No".
So perhaps the ex-AN drivers ARE in suitable company!
"And this IMHO is the problem we have all over the world, people are looking for the easy and comfortable way out, rather than staying and participating in fixing the problem."
OTOH, W, "Try, try, try again - time will bring you its reward.", might be shown in a new light if one thinks of that persistent fly that keeps bashing its brains against a glass window, in an attempt to escape!
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"You probably don't even know the crews up there!"
Hmm, 27 years with Ansett...came off the A320..now an F/O on the 737.
"Really old - and really ugly" was the description that filtered through from a few of the employees in PP - but then again, I probably qualify for that as well!!
Oh, and of course there's the ex-Kendell chappie, who shares the same name as our retired cricketer, Rod.
Yep, NO idea at all who they arel!!
It is something foreign to US, but not to most Asians, because they have grown up with it as part and parcel of their daily life.
Those Asians who have had "exposure" to Western societies, and who have seen that to prosper in the West, where it is not necessary to bribe officialdom (usually!!), are somewhat naieve if they believe that the same system will be ACCEPTED within their own countries. The people who are in a position to stop it, are those who would be the MOST disadvantaged!
Trying to import this into a society (such as Cambodia), is akin to King Canut attempting to stop the tide.
Even in Japan - considered one of the more "westernised" Asian countries, there is hardly a week that doesn't pass without SOME high-ranking official being exposed for receiving massive kickbacks.
It is deeply ingrained, and continues today at many levels, whereas previously it was more confined to the "upper" echelons.
Cambodia's Prime Minister, Hun Sen, is an ex Khmer Rouge soldier - but are we ever likely to see him brought to trial? Little wonder Pol Pot was able to "evade" the Government troops until the day he died of natural causes.
Are the wives of Cambodian high-ranking officials, who pay hitmen to throw acid in the faces of their husband's concubines ever brought to justice?
The comfort that ill-gotten money buys, ensures the answer is "No".
So perhaps the ex-AN drivers ARE in suitable company!
"And this IMHO is the problem we have all over the world, people are looking for the easy and comfortable way out, rather than staying and participating in fixing the problem."
OTOH, W, "Try, try, try again - time will bring you its reward.", might be shown in a new light if one thinks of that persistent fly that keeps bashing its brains against a glass window, in an attempt to escape!
Edit:
"You probably don't even know the crews up there!"
Hmm, 27 years with Ansett...came off the A320..now an F/O on the 737.
"Really old - and really ugly" was the description that filtered through from a few of the employees in PP - but then again, I probably qualify for that as well!!
Oh, and of course there's the ex-Kendell chappie, who shares the same name as our retired cricketer, Rod.
Yep, NO idea at all who they arel!!
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how come kaptin m always b!tches like a b!tch about the AN guys but never about the QF shorthaul (IE Australian Airlines) blokes that went back to work during the strike?
just wondering...
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Woomera does this thread, come under the 89 Topics ban?
Capy:
Yes tue but really this applies all over not just Asia. You would certainly include the entire planet. Where did everyone learn the ropes of corruption? Thats the question really isnt it. So called first world nations have alot to answer for really.Africa,South America,Europe,Russia, Middle East, and others did not learn corruption on their lonesome. Its everywhere really.
Well I dont think its foreign Sir. Hardly really. The US is the first home fo the shonk and the Con and the Toe cutter. We have all got it now.
Corruption is something that is non-definitive in location. Even in Oz we have and have had it , all the Royal Commisions in the last 30 years talk for themselves dont they.
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P.S. Come to Central America and the Carib, they teach the ethics of corruption here. Theres even advertising campaigns against it . Financed by the chief corrupters themselves.
Capy:
I believe that overt "payment for favours" (we call it corruption in the Western world) has long been a "way of life" for most Asian cultures.
It is something foreign to US, but not to most Asians, because they have grown up with it as part and parcel of their daily life
Well I dont think its foreign Sir. Hardly really. The US is the first home fo the shonk and the Con and the Toe cutter. We have all got it now.
Corruption is something that is non-definitive in location. Even in Oz we have and have had it , all the Royal Commisions in the last 30 years talk for themselves dont they.
Regards
Sheep
P.S. Come to Central America and the Carib, they teach the ethics of corruption here. Theres even advertising campaigns against it . Financed by the chief corrupters themselves.
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Kaptin M - perhaps you should direct your criticisms not so much towards the Air Mekong guys but at all the ex Ansett Flight Ops Dept management types that were so prominent behind the scenes in 89 and now working for Singapore Airlines.
Reackon those clowns have alot to answer for especially after discouraging AN pilots to apply then getting jobs thru the back door themselves!
Reackon those clowns have alot to answer for especially after discouraging AN pilots to apply then getting jobs thru the back door themselves!
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Historically speaking , pb, you are correct - QANDOM still has its share of 1989 scabs.
This is an area that Slasher (anyone remember him?) - an ex-Australian Airlines...previously TAA...pilot - frequently complained about not receiving its share of the limelight.
Basically because Abeles (joint MD of AN) and his lapdog Hawke took centre stage, Ansett was seen as the "villain of the peace", aided and abetted by their blacklegs.
The story of Haing Ngor is an interesting one, esp. the observation in Woomera's reprint of the finding:
The entrenched government is currently headed by a former Khmer Rouge army officer - Hun Sen - and the system of graft as well entrenched now as before.
For USD30, you can buy an assassination - the ride-by type - a common way of getting rid of "troublemakers", in Cambodia.
The cost is somewhat higher in other countries, but that MENTALITY still prevails - if you can't BUY it out, KILL it!
, pb, you are correct - QANDOM still has its share of 1989 scabs.This is an area that Slasher (anyone remember him?) - an ex-Australian Airlines...previously TAA...pilot - frequently complained about not receiving its share of the limelight.
Basically because Abeles (joint MD of AN) and his lapdog Hawke took centre stage, Ansett was seen as the "villain of the peace", aided and abetted by their blacklegs.
The story of Haing Ngor is an interesting one, esp. the observation in Woomera's reprint of the finding:
HAING NGOR WAS ACTIVE IN THE CAMBODIAN REFUGEE COMMUNITY, AND THERE WERE RUMORS THE KILLING WAS A POLITICAL ASSASSINATION
For USD30, you can buy an assassination - the ride-by type - a common way of getting rid of "troublemakers", in Cambodia.
The cost is somewhat higher in other countries, but that MENTALITY still prevails - if you can't BUY it out, KILL it!
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And to prove that FACT is often stranger than FICTION, here's a further, interesting twist to this story.
The Chief Pilot of Air Mekong is NOT B737 endorsed - however, he IS A320 rated
.....if you recall, this airline originally intended running A320's.
THE aircraft carries Cambodian registration. but the ex-Ansett pilots are operating on Australian licences (NOT Cambodian), whilst the Khmer co-pilots who ARE Cambodian licenced AND B737 type rated, are prevented from taking a position within their country's airline because of the ex-AN s#%*s, and who would undoubtedly do the job for FAR less than the USD8,500 (salary $7,500 + $1,000 accomodation allowance) paid to our "high flyers".
The Chief Pilot of Air Mekong is NOT B737 endorsed - however, he IS A320 rated
.....if you recall, this airline originally intended running A320's.THE aircraft carries Cambodian registration. but the ex-Ansett pilots are operating on Australian licences (NOT Cambodian), whilst the Khmer co-pilots who ARE Cambodian licenced AND B737 type rated, are prevented from taking a position within their country's airline because of the ex-AN s#%*s, and who would undoubtedly do the job for FAR less than the USD8,500 (salary $7,500 + $1,000 accomodation allowance) paid to our "high flyers".
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Good to see your concern about the local pilots KaptinM, However, dont you work overseas to the detrement of the local pilots there who are looking for a job!
Not involved in anyway with the dispute but i can see a bit of double standards here
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Not involved in anyway with the dispute but i can see a bit of double standards here
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This company will take - and promote - as many local pilots as possible, as quickly as possible. There are simply not enough, here, to keep up with the (increasing) retirement of "baby boomers", expected to peak in the next 3 - 4 years here.
They are promoting F/O's to the lhs once they have been in the company for the (JCAB) required 3 years, as long as they have TOTAL time of 3,000 or more hours.
The short answer is "No, Helibloke", so perhaps you need your vision checked.
Quite different to our "historical" Ansett people, who are not only ACTIVELY blocking the Khmers from taking a job in which they have more experience, but have ALSO prevented other Australian, unemployed, younger Ansett F/O's from maintaining recency.
Loved the world over - not!!
They are promoting F/O's to the lhs once they have been in the company for the (JCAB) required 3 years, as long as they have TOTAL time of 3,000 or more hours.
The short answer is "No, Helibloke", so perhaps you need your vision checked.
Quite different to our "historical" Ansett people, who are not only ACTIVELY blocking the Khmers from taking a job in which they have more experience, but have ALSO prevented other Australian, unemployed, younger Ansett F/O's from maintaining recency.
Loved the world over - not!!
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And umemployed's delightful post post above helps further highlight the "type" that were quick to steal jobs THEN and NOW.
Thank you, umemployed - you are worth your weight in gold.
Thank you, umemployed - you are worth your weight in gold.
And here I was thinking companies decided who they wanted working for them. But no! Aparently those dastedly rebals fixed bayonets and stormed the Mekong citidel taking no prisoners!!
Kap, in the REAL WORLD (Definition: That which occurs outside Kap Ms hatred- fevored mind. Source- The Oxford Concise.) a company decides it wants X qualifications for a job and advertises for such. Person Y, having said qualifications, applys and is accepted/rejected accordingly.
Kap, you've spouted some crepe on this forum over the years, but this one takes the cake. For you're assertions to carry any credence it would mean that if Mekong had started in '90 and not '03, no out of work '89er would have taken a job with them out of some obscure set of values, even though this company obviously had it's reasons for wanting experienced ex-pats as crew.
So I take it the AFAP ACTIVLEY stoped it's members from taking others jobs world wide post dispute? Did the guys who ACTIVLEY approached John Elliot to fly his 737, thus putting four biz jet pilots who had been promised type ratings on the streets, get life bans? Or bought a beer and congradulated at the next AFAP love in? And the miriad who flooded GA and took plum jobs that were the rightful asspiration of incumbent pilots. What did the AFAP do? Happily took the dues of shafter and shaftee and went back to ranting about Ables/Hawke et-al. As a Canuk I used to fly with said, "Well, I applied to Cathay, but when I went to the interview, there were all these Aussies taking the jobs and saying "Don't apply to Ansett""
By the way, wasn't your cushy little number up there is Nihon the result of JAL setting up a low-cost arm to undercut the pay and conditions of existing pilots? I believe there are plenty of qualified main-line FOs who COULD fill your shoes, but aren't entitled to? I've been told Korean and Asiana, similaly, could staff internally, but choose to keep expats (Including a goodly number of '89ers) to keep their unions at arms length.
But that can't be true! It would mean an AFAP member (apart from Gilligan, he's the only one! Honest!) was putting his own interests above world union domination! Say it Aint SO!
Kap, in the REAL WORLD (Definition: That which occurs outside Kap Ms hatred- fevored mind. Source- The Oxford Concise.) a company decides it wants X qualifications for a job and advertises for such. Person Y, having said qualifications, applys and is accepted/rejected accordingly.
Kap, you've spouted some crepe on this forum over the years, but this one takes the cake. For you're assertions to carry any credence it would mean that if Mekong had started in '90 and not '03, no out of work '89er would have taken a job with them out of some obscure set of values, even though this company obviously had it's reasons for wanting experienced ex-pats as crew.
So I take it the AFAP ACTIVLEY stoped it's members from taking others jobs world wide post dispute? Did the guys who ACTIVLEY approached John Elliot to fly his 737, thus putting four biz jet pilots who had been promised type ratings on the streets, get life bans? Or bought a beer and congradulated at the next AFAP love in? And the miriad who flooded GA and took plum jobs that were the rightful asspiration of incumbent pilots. What did the AFAP do? Happily took the dues of shafter and shaftee and went back to ranting about Ables/Hawke et-al. As a Canuk I used to fly with said, "Well, I applied to Cathay, but when I went to the interview, there were all these Aussies taking the jobs and saying "Don't apply to Ansett""
By the way, wasn't your cushy little number up there is Nihon the result of JAL setting up a low-cost arm to undercut the pay and conditions of existing pilots? I believe there are plenty of qualified main-line FOs who COULD fill your shoes, but aren't entitled to? I've been told Korean and Asiana, similaly, could staff internally, but choose to keep expats (Including a goodly number of '89ers) to keep their unions at arms length.
But that can't be true! It would mean an AFAP member (apart from Gilligan, he's the only one! Honest!) was putting his own interests above world union domination! Say it Aint SO!