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Old 14th Apr 2003, 08:55
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WizofOz,

I agree with your post - a little pregnant??

The poor old Kap. He runs off at the mouth a little or a lot. Facts don't figure highly in his thinking or posts, but there's never an apology when he frequently gets it wrong.

I suppose his attitude can be summed up quite simply. It was OK for him to apply; it was OK for him to take another's job in another country; it's OK for him to earn bulk US $$, but if anybody else does, particularly somebody who wears the VC EQUIVALENT for commonsense, then it's on. They're a fu$%#&g SCAB.

Like I said Kap, there were none so strong as those who applied and were rejected, and among those were wine salesmen, bland characters, some ladies, and numerous others.

permFO makes a good point - how can a nom de plume be slandered, defamed etc? I may have you confused with somebody else!! Perhaps someone with a modicum of intelligence, but reading your posts, that would be difficult.

As for the stat dec thing, it's not worth much these days. Twenty years ago, the penalty for making a false declaration was up to 7 years hard labour; now it's a max $200 fine.

permFO, Thanks for the corespondence. The cat population in smalltown is greater than it was three months ago when I was in residence, but on my infrequent trips back, I manage to reduce it by a couple each time. I'll be in touch soon.
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permFO, you ask whether legal action pertaining to alleged slander can be actioned from posts on the Internet. I would suggest you contact Woomera, or Danny aka Capt PPRuNe (J.D.Fyne) and ask them.

My identity is no secret - I have allowed my photos, along with those of my wife and child to be displayed on the PPRuNe website. I have been named on several occasions, and was the recipient of abuse (by name), by one of similar ilk to phnompenhkid. Similarly my wife was also - in the same post - subjected to abusive and racist comments, that post having been filed for possible future action.
Likewise, ppkid has overtly referred to other pilots, apparently thinking it clever, when he posted;
"Like I said Kap, there were none so strong as those who applied and were rejected, and among those were wine salesmen, bland characters, some ladies, and numerous others."
Keep goin' kid, the hole gets deeper.


One needs only to read phnompenhkid's posts to uncover his inconsistencies and untruths, his latest example being,
As for the stat dec thing, it's not worth much these days. Twenty years ago, the penalty for making a false declaration was up to 7 years hard labour; now it's a max $200 fine.
The TRUTH is a deponent who has been found to have been untruthful in making a sworn declaration (as is the case with a Stat Dec), may be charged under the Criminal Code and be liable to penalties including imprisonment - even today.

I doubt that phnompenhkid can even lie straight in bed!

And so hence his attempt to squirm out of backing up his claim of
Be assured the evidence is solid
I have nominated 2 people who are still alive today, and who would be in a position to submit a Stat Dec, if his allegation were not LIES.
Likewise, phnompenhkid has told all that "..the evidence is solid" (that my application to re-join Ansett was rejected, and/or that I withdrew it due to "intimidation or coercion")
Whilst on the matter of scabs KM, you wanted to be one, but were rejected or have you conveniently forgotten that. I know, I know, you withdrew your application without intimidation or coercion from anyone - bull$hit.",
So NOW you are being told to PROVE your allegations, phnompenhkid, by way of the following:
(i) Statutory Declaration(s) by the either or both of the parties I have suggested (or by ANYONE of your choosing);
(ii) or by YOURSELF;
(iii) or withdraw them along with an apology to me.

A "raw nerve", PFO?
No. Just ANOTHER opportunity to expose the character of scabs of the ilk of phnompenhkid!
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Old 14th Apr 2003, 10:42
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Wisofoz and the kid seem to have Kap M playing off the back foot.

Is this a case of "what goes around comes around" ?

Whilst we are talking legalities. The fact that Kaptin M applied for his job back at Ansett does NOT make him a scab. Had his application been successful then he would have been able to rightfuly claim that title.
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Old 14th Apr 2003, 12:05
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This thread's more dramatic and scandalous than watching "Bold and the Beautiful" each arvo!
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Don't you just love KM's posts. Highlighting, capitals, colours, quotes between lines, repetition etc. Very impresive if a little tiresome.

Now back to the matter of stat decs. I swore one recently, and the police officer informed me that the penalty for making a false declaration was a $200 fine. I don't have a copy of the criminal code, so I can't give any further infrmation, but I'm sure Kaptin M can. Perhaps he's also a lawyer?

It was for not voting KM. Now there's another reason to attack me. I didn't exercise my democratic right to vote. That has to be worth a dozen or more posts and a few episodes of name calling.

The fact is, and those who come to this site know it, that if a post '89 pilot built a rocket of discarded 200 litre drums, and piloted it to the moon and back, Kaptin M would see it as a fraud. He is a bitter, ill adjusted character.

BAE146, No, not a $cab, but perhaps a 'festering sore' which was one of the pathetic infantile expressions they used on others with whom they didn't agree for some other petty reason.

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From Alex Pattersons web site (often quoted as the definative opinion of the dispute (by ONE SIDE of the argument!!))

For inclusion on the scablist a pilot must have either:

Never resigned from their respective Dispute airline
or

Joined their respective Dispute airline between the dates of 24th August 1989 and 7th March 1990
or

been privately negotiating with,or applied to , any airline involved in the Dispute between the dates of 24th of August 1989 and 7th March 1990
or

operated a jet transport aircraft on charter to any airline involved in the Dispute between the dates of 24th of August 1989 and 7th March 1990

So it seems that the Kap belong there after all...
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Enjoying the slanging match in this thread guys, just one question PPK hows the "Great MEKONG Show" going now that it's got a dose of SE Asian SARS.

BS aside it will take 6 mths + for the damage to Asian Carriers to subside by that time many of you may well be out of a job and back on the street.

Hope you have you river front pad paid for PPK you'll need it!

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You could make a mint by consulting to major airline carriers about your crystal ball.
It's a multi billion dollar industry and you would be invaluable.
Run an ad!!!
GO PPK!!!
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Loosey,

It may interest you to know that our best loads are on the Hong Kong route!! As for being out of a job, it's not a great concern to me. I indicated some time ago that I would like to stay, and probably will, or at worst, commute from here. I have a nice young lady here, and the future is looking good.

Yes, the riverfront pad is fully funded, and work has started. It's going to be nice - traditional architecture, Cambodian/Thai style, and not unlike the Jim Thompson house in Bangkok. Mostly teak construction, and elevated to pick up the breezes and of course the views of the Tonle Sap out the back. You'd love it, and you're more than welcome to stay. I'll always have a few Angkors on ice just to see if I can cool you guys down a little, but my fear is that there will never be enough ice!

If you're not familiar with Jim Thompson, he's the guy who introduced Thai silk to the world. He went to Thailand during WWII as a young lieutenant, and saw an opportunity there, returned after the war and went for it. He disappeared in the Cameron Highlands in Malaysia and his disappearance has remained a mystery to this day. His house remains as he left it, donated by his nephew who was the beneficiary of his will, to an organization that must retain it as it was when he left for the weekend. It is well worth visit, if not for the architecture itself, then the priceless collection of antiques, principally Cambodian. His collection was mainly Thai until he had a dispute with the Thai government over retaning local antiques.

Yes Wiz, I felt that KM should be on the list, but then it's a minor point. Perhaps BAE146 should refer the the Patterson website - the definitive analysis! If KM feels that he doesn't belong, then it's of no consequence to me. There are many others who were in negotiations who will never admit it.

Really, what is the significance of a petty list compiled by a character who said early in the course of events 'I can't tell you what we're going to do, but it'll f$#k them!' Well, resigning really did that, but he didn't specify who the 'them' were.

He also tole me by email a couple of years ago that we (the pilot group, including the so called 89ers) 'put our faith in people (AFAP) who weren't up to the task.'

The reason the list is insignificant is that airlines that we were told would never employ $cabs, are doing so, and are happy to do so. A couple haven't and won't, but only a couple. Once again, insignificant.

Loose Connection Aviation Consultants - nice ring to it!!

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Well, whilst I am thoroughly enjoying the too and froe I would like to take the post back to it's beginnings (at the risk of having my head biten off )

Is there a web site (yes I've looked) where you cantact and apply, could you get a start without time on type in an arrangement similar to VB ie have an interview go get an endorsement etc. Any information on requirements, recruiting etc would be much appreciated.

Cheers, VneII
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Kap, pray tell what has happened to your spelling ? You and Dexter must have been on the Asahi together last night.
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You mean this, 146?
"can u plse post the mane of the 3 owners an a adress in camboda to send me aplicaton too. thanx in advants."

For whatever reason, only the C&P (of Dexter's earlier request) appeared, without my comment below. (Edit Haha, worked out why - all to do with using/not using Word.)

C'mon ppkid, you have really avoided the 3 or 4 requests you've had from pilots who are probably hard up for work, and are pretty envious of your new lifestyle.

"Is there a web site (yes I've looked) where you cantact and apply".

There's a good chappy

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Old 22nd Apr 2003, 16:26
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You have my apology - those who asked. Website? I don't know. I'm not looking for a job with Mekong as I already have one.

Would they employ without an endorsement; probably not. Bare endorsement; I don't know.

However for those who would like to, try writing to the Chief Pilot, Mekong Airlines, Hong Kong Centre, SotheAros Blvd, Phnom Penh, Cambodia.

Best of Luck.
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Old 22nd Apr 2003, 17:44
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Just wondering, I had the good fortune to plan and fly a Cessna 172 from Jandakot (Western Australia) to Manila (Philippines) Via East timor, west timor,Flores Islands and Sulawasi. During this little juant I had to organise my own Visas, security clearances, airways clearances and permisions, fuel (Alot harder than you would believe unless you have been there), ect. I did it all VFR and with some fairly dodgy maps and nav aids, sorted all my own Int flight plans and all that other stuff (nope, never used any agents at all, and proved it can be done) as well as actually hand flying the whole trip........................ Does that make me a REAL International pilot?. Or are there other qualifiers?.
Bloody "89" is like that black mould in the bathroom....... It just wont go away.
I really wish I had a job where it was all done for ya and all ya have to do is take off rely on the auto pilot, FMC and all them other gizzmos and then land with few radio calls here and there.... then get the same $$$ that you REAL international pilots get. must be hard yakka.
well, I guess I'll just stick to my cowboy job. I think all that hard button pushing would be beyond me.

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Dr Phil,

I know it's not worth the time spent here, but you must understand that Kaptin M has been calling others scabs for years on these forums, or is that fora?

Under the 'Definitive History of the Pilots' Dispute of 1989' the author defines a scab. Briefly, he includes those who were in negotiations with the companies prior to the AFAP giving the all clear to return to whatever crumbs were left. Incidentally, there were none.

Now Kaptin M admits having applied to Ansett prior to that date. What happened next is unclear; not to me, but to him it appears.

Whatever the circumstances of his withdrawal/rejection, he applied and fits the criteria to be named amongst those whom he calls 'scabs.'

I didn't write the Definitive History etc, but one on his side of the fence did. I go along with the definition espoused by Alex on his site. You apply before a specified date, and you're a scab. Simple.

But Kaptin M refuses to go along with that concept for his own reasons. If and when he admits it, then it won't be mentioned again byh me. It's just difficult to swallow the self righteous attitude when, in spite of fitting the criteria, everybody else is a scab but he's not.

Back to a previous post Kaptin regarding abuse. I do not, nor will I stoop to personal abuse. Search these threads and you will find none.

Dr Phil, I am happy here, just a KM, Amos, TTT etc say they're happy where they are being paid bulk US$$$, but it doesn't mean that they or I shouldn't contribute here. I'm certainly not bitter and twisted over an event that happened 14 years ago in a backwater of the world. That's how it's seen.

Incidentally, just yesterday I was talking with a colleague over a cold Angkor, and we spoke about how the QF Pilots' union had given an undertaking not to carry domestic pax during the term of the dispute, likewise CX Pilots' Assn, and they carried pax unashamedly all over the country. Actually, we were told by the AFAP that those undertakings were given, but I'm sure they never were. Those pilots assisted the government to break the domestic pilots, but where did hundreds scurry off to as the whole thing unravelled? CX and QF and called these pilots, who assisted the government to put them out of jobs, their mates. The logic beats me.


I merely accept the definition
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Scab List.
Well I see YOUR name in spot number 511, on page 7, ppkid - let's read on.....scabbed in Week 17, AN re-hire, B737.
No need to try to interpret definitions - you're fully qualified as a SCAB, kid.

Negotiations??
Under the 'Definitive History of the Pilots' Dispute of 1989' the author defines a scab. Briefly, he includes those who were in negotiations with the companies prior to the AFAP giving the all clear....
What negotiations?
You're dribbling again kid!!
You made the statement that you have solid proof that I was rejected - time to put up. Or remain the LIAR I have proven YOU to be with other false statements e.g. the penalties for making a false Stat Dec.

Thanks for the advice, Dr Phil, makes interesting reading, son (as a "single digit" in 1989:
I was but a single digit when the events of 89 unfolded
........that makes you at least 4 years younger than my oldest child.)

And a bit of fatherly advice for you too, son, if some of the posters are causing you aggro, then skip over them - don't dwell on it, to the point where your young head hurts:
but its getting annoying reading these aggressively 'fonted' posts
And to the wizard of auz, I would rate you as OVER QUALIFIED as an International Pilot (something to which ppkid aspires, but which I very much doubt he would have the ability to achieve!!).
You're right you know, Wiz, the harder a pilot has to work in aviation, the LESS he gets remunerated.
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As I understand the events of '89, the mass resignation by the AFAP was considered to be an industrial tactic by the union in order to get the 2 companies to negotiate directly with them. From what I can gather that is also what was told to the membership when they were told to sign the resignation letter. When the letters were presented to the Companies involved rather than saying ok we better talk to the boys they took it as ok we no longer have any pilots in our employ we better invite applications from those who are interested in flying for us. The AFAP however continued to see it as no they are still our jobs we resigned only as an industrial tactic therefore you must still negotiate with us.
My question is- If you fully supported the AFAPs view then why would you need to apply for a job which you would still consider to be yours unless you no longer believed that you had a job? If you didn't support the unions view and submitted an application (irrespective of what was subsequently done with that application) then that would make you what?
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It might (or might not) have been a questioning of whether the Feds' strategies at that particular time, were correct. However, it became almost immediately obvious to me, following my action, that the MORAL ISSUES involved – of betraying my fellow pilots, and their families – far outweighed and overshadowed any industrial issues.

And it was those moral tenets – the foundations upon which decent men and women base their daily lives, to maintain an ordered, democratic society, rather than anarchy – that caused me to terminate my destructive act, and to take responsibility for my deeds, that had the potential of destroying hundreds of honest people, and my own self esteem.
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Kaptin M, I`m not sure that you have my identity correct, but it doesn`t matter.

I`m proud of going back to work. As Alex and his brother said to me in the AFAP nerve centre in November 1989 - go back to work and take your own job, and you can take ours as well because we`re not going back.` Once again, I consider I was awarded the VC EQUIVALENT for common sense whilst under fire. You know the sort of fire - abuse, painting gates and cars etc. All fine behaviour for so called professionals.

Open invitation from the boys close to the action, and one who said `I can`t tell you what we`re going to do, but it`ll really f$#k them. Yeah right!!

I accept the definition as well as the tag KM. It`s up to you to do so, or is it a little like real international pilots, regional international pilots, and domestic pilots? You place yourself where you want to be. Let me say it again - flying is taking off somewhere and landing somewhere. I can`t make it simpler than that for you. If I could, I would, because it seems that you`re having difficulty with the concept.

One more thing - the Angkor is still sweet and the ladies still pretty. It seems that are becoming moreso by the day as I settle in. I`m looking forward to completion of the house on the Tonle Sap.
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Thanks for the invite for a "coldee" ppk but I don't think I'll ever take you up on it - maybeeeeeeeeee! When Hell Freezes Over.

Re your Jim Thompson character perhaps someone had a score to settle, could happen to anyone anywhere. It's not my bag but then I don't have to live looking over my shoulder all day.

Perhaps you should consider putting your river shack in trust also.
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