Life in an aboriginal settlement???
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I stated the facts, you prove me wrong. I haven't the time to pull it off the net now but will if you come up with any contrary Oz bullsh*t of your own.
Nope, no mix-up. Its very hard to SEE ones own bull, no?
Americans..........yawnn, standard Aussie response. love to criticize them, fraid their too much like them? yes, they believe their own bullsh*t (wow, you see that) too. Tell me, who would you rather running the world show before you start squealing like a pig for help?
I stated the facts, you prove me wrong. I haven't the time to pull it off the net now but will if you come up with any contrary Oz bullsh*t of your own.
Nope, no mix-up. Its very hard to SEE ones own bull, no?
Americans..........yawnn, standard Aussie response. love to criticize them, fraid their too much like them? yes, they believe their own bullsh*t (wow, you see that) too. Tell me, who would you rather running the world show before you start squealing like a pig for help?
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Winstun, I care not for your own personal sentements, for they are nothing more. I merely challenged you to prove the "facts" (as you call them), and yet you seem unable or unwilling to do so.
It might appear that you have no real and credible information to add, so why bother, other than to blow your own trumpet. Have you lived out here in the sticks? A seemingly know-all attitude such as yours does your argument no justice as it would appear from the outset that you really have no idea of what you are speaking of.
Merry Christmas.
It might appear that you have no real and credible information to add, so why bother, other than to blow your own trumpet. Have you lived out here in the sticks? A seemingly know-all attitude such as yours does your argument no justice as it would appear from the outset that you really have no idea of what you are speaking of.
Merry Christmas.
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Ops,
I haven't the time to be running around the net pulling all the references for you. I thought the facts I stated were pretty much common knowledge or are we pretending they don't exist?
Some quick scanning and some links below may help you, perhaps you could provide some imput research yourself.
I have spent several years in the sticks. I wouldn't call mine a know-all attitude. More like a contrary and objective attitude than that of yourself and ya mates.
Chirstmas is for Christians and sheep. Of which I am neither.
http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/...arty.html#box4
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]?Open
http://www.interpol.com/Public/Stati...CS/Default.asp
http://www.foodwatch.com.au/overweightkids1.html#1
http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/ABS%4...2569de0024ed5b!
http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/mpaine/greenhous.html
I haven't the time to be running around the net pulling all the references for you. I thought the facts I stated were pretty much common knowledge or are we pretending they don't exist?
Some quick scanning and some links below may help you, perhaps you could provide some imput research yourself.
I have spent several years in the sticks. I wouldn't call mine a know-all attitude. More like a contrary and objective attitude than that of yourself and ya mates.
Chirstmas is for Christians and sheep. Of which I am neither.
http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/...arty.html#box4
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]?Open
http://www.interpol.com/Public/Stati...CS/Default.asp
http://www.foodwatch.com.au/overweightkids1.html#1
http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/ABS%4...2569de0024ed5b!
http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/mpaine/greenhous.html
Winstun, I under-estimated you, thank you for the surprise.
Some closer examination of your domestic violence figures (especially those for the years 2000-1), are not yet complete for both countries (both the US, and Australia), so one might have difficulty using those stats to be able to come to a conclusive outcome.
Yes I will admit to surprise the incidences in both countries being so high, but as said previously, all the figures are not yet in on that one.
Our kids are fat, I cannot argue with that one. Our quality of life here is a damn sight higher than it is in MOST other countries, huge open areas of great natural beauty, wide open and clean sandy beaches, we have little in the way of diseases, and our variety and (for the most part) multiculturalism growth is something to be proud of. I guess your red-herring thrown in here might be an easy one to score points from as it is not really a concern of the original thread.
If viewed in a per-capita stance, yes, then your figures of our greenhouse emmissions are shamefull. However, I would have thought that that sort of thing should be measured on a total emission rate fullstop.
From your research....
19 million people versus 260million. Wow, our measly 524.4 million tonnes versus the US's 5,486 million tonnes is somewhat of a clincher is it not? Or would you rather look at it in terms of a percentage? Roughly nine I'd say. You can make statistics say whatever you'd like, and as I've learned in my time here, statistics are much like a lamp-pole - they should be used for illumination, not support.
Your report, my bolding. Yeah I know, lets discard this one to as it doesn't quite fit with your attack on my society.
I asked you whether you lived in the sticks HERE, not anywhere else. Have/did you, where? I merely ask to find-out if you'd actually seen what you are criticising, or are attempting to.
I have no problem with a contrary point of view or indeed attitude, for this is the basis of some of the better dicussions that can be had on a BB such as this. If everyone thought the same way, there would be nothing to discuss would there?
Here really isn't the place to discuss some of these questions, after all the original question was about life in an aboriginal community. If you'd like to discuss further we can via email or PM.
I meant no offence by wishing you a merry xmas.
Some closer examination of your domestic violence figures (especially those for the years 2000-1), are not yet complete for both countries (both the US, and Australia), so one might have difficulty using those stats to be able to come to a conclusive outcome.
Yes I will admit to surprise the incidences in both countries being so high, but as said previously, all the figures are not yet in on that one.
Our kids are fat, I cannot argue with that one. Our quality of life here is a damn sight higher than it is in MOST other countries, huge open areas of great natural beauty, wide open and clean sandy beaches, we have little in the way of diseases, and our variety and (for the most part) multiculturalism growth is something to be proud of. I guess your red-herring thrown in here might be an easy one to score points from as it is not really a concern of the original thread.
If viewed in a per-capita stance, yes, then your figures of our greenhouse emmissions are shamefull. However, I would have thought that that sort of thing should be measured on a total emission rate fullstop.
From your research....
Australia's level of emissions per person is 35% higher than that of the world's largest total polluter, the USA.
The [EPA] document said that "."greenhouse gases are accumulating in the Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing global mean surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise." Total U.S. greenhouse gas emissions will increase 43 percent between 2000 and 2020, the report said.
I asked you whether you lived in the sticks HERE, not anywhere else. Have/did you, where? I merely ask to find-out if you'd actually seen what you are criticising, or are attempting to.
I wouldn't call mine a know-all attitude. More like a contrary and objective attitude than that of yourself and ya mates.
Here really isn't the place to discuss some of these questions, after all the original question was about life in an aboriginal community. If you'd like to discuss further we can via email or PM.
I meant no offence by wishing you a merry xmas.
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Ops,
I have attitude. Statistics open to interpretation. Agreed.
Yes, the above is quite true, but I don't see what there is to be proud of. You lucked out being born in a nice location with plenty natural resources and not too populated. Immigration has been a necessity for growth and that damn higher quality of life you're enjoying. No great achievement on your part. Under the thin surface, the majority of my fellow anglo Aussies accept multiculturalism with their arm twisted, and then, only certain colours and eye shapes. These are my objective observations.
Well, it fits into the facts. If you want to turn your head away, go ahead. Just pointing it it out. Don't get defensive now.
Yes, I have lived in several 'sticks' areas in WA, NT, and QLD as well as on 5 other continents. My facts of Australia reflect a population which is mostly urban and has probably never spoken to an aborigine - possibly once to a token black at a society do - let alone seen one, except maybe on TV.
In my society (and you're in it), over 30,000 children die of malnutrition and disease today. Let's not be too proud yet.
I have attitude. Statistics open to interpretation. Agreed.
Our quality of life here is a damn sight higher than it is in MOST other countries, huge open areas of great natural beauty, wide open and clean sandy beaches, we have little in the way of diseases, and our variety and (for the most part) multiculturalism growth is something to be proud of.
Your report, my bolding. Yeah I know, lets discard this one to as it doesn't quite fit with your attack on my society.
Yes, I have lived in several 'sticks' areas in WA, NT, and QLD as well as on 5 other continents. My facts of Australia reflect a population which is mostly urban and has probably never spoken to an aborigine - possibly once to a token black at a society do - let alone seen one, except maybe on TV.
In my society (and you're in it), over 30,000 children die of malnutrition and disease today. Let's not be too proud yet.
My facts of Australia reflect a population which is mostly urban and has probably never spoken to an aborigine
At this point I'll put forward a direct cut and paste of something I wrote on another website about aboriginees and the other underlying issues that dog our "society".
Hopefully this might make my position clearer....
Sorry Rob, I've been away. Thanks for your reply.
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Sure, they believed they were bringing advantages such as "civilization", education law and medicine. They also enslaved aboriginals.
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You'll draw no argument from me there, either. History speaks, we should all take notes.... Much the same way that missionaries brought religion and their version of "civilisation" to those communities out here in the sticks (and indeed dotted all around the country), they also brought with them ideals and a theology that was in stark contrast to the original way of life of the aboriginee.
They also brought with them alcohol. Harmless stuff indeed. Is it? Remember back to what might be termed the "bad old days" when the total prohibition of alchol to aboriginals was supposedly for their own good? Was it? Some might argue it was and some might argue it wasn't. Then along came the Human rights issue of equality, so what happened then? The aboriginal population had direct access to something that their genetic (and I use that term to emphasise that they had no exposure to it before hand, so perhaps no bodily tolerance of the substance), make-up had/has little defence against such a behavioural modifier such as grog.
How did they get this grog? Simple. The basic values of human rights are quite simple. Any one person must have the basic opportunities in life that any other person possesses, regardless of birth, race or creed. No arguments from me here, as I may not agree with what everyone might say, but I'll defend to the death anyone elses right to have as many opportunities as can be made available to them, and their right to say what they think.
Anyway, I've gotten a bit off the trail here, I shall return. Our society in general voted by public concern to make the sale of alcohol to the aboriginals a basic right, which by human rights standards, is good. Where does around (at a guess, mind you) 70% of Australia's population live? It certainly isn't in or near the aboriginal settlements and communities that dot our arid and tropical zones of our great country. It is away from these areas, and one might argue that with this fact there becomes a situation where those in the towns and cities have little or no exposure to the issues that alcohol has created, and even though most of the poulation lives together, it is more or less insulated from the beast they have created. So while the basic concept of equal opportunity is a good one, in some situations it may not neccessarily be the best thing for all.
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I ask, what makes a society civilized? Is it language, art and writing, money or monumental architecture? Just because indiginous Australia had their own religion, languages, art and writing but dipped out on monumental architecture but didn't have the will to displace people, enslave them and farm doesn't mean they weren't civilized. Nomadic cultures have no need for monumental architecture and subsequently never had it. As for money what currency would nomadic tribes need. Probably roo meat and skins.
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Simple, degrees of civilisation. Some value more than others, but none is any less of a race for owning less or trying to live in a place that might be less than ideal to others. Currency, that's a question of local requirements in as much as what people basically need to survive and to hopefully prosper.
What gets up my nose here, is when some people decide to just modify their history slightly to suit themselves or their need. The biggest example of that lays some 50nm west of where I sit and write these words. A nomadic culture relies on the availability of water for survival and travels as such to these places to hunt, gather, and to spiritually connect with the land. I will make a point here and say that the closest semi-permanent water was in the Musgrave Ranges some 150-170 km distant. Did the aboriginees carry water with them while wandering around? No. Yes, the aboriginees did visit this area from time to time, however infrequent. Nowadays the Luritja people (what the call themselves, which in all honesty means "stranger" in the local aboriginal dialect - and I'd invite you to further research that if you'd like further clarification), are re-inventing themselves as the Anangu. Native Title is certainly a fair thing for the aboriginals, as yes, I agree they have a strong claim for what are to them areas of great significance, however they need not try and assert things that did never happen, such as in the case of De Rose v State of South Australia (FCA 1342), in the Federal Court of Australia, where a group of aboriginals have had a native title claim rejected because they have failed to maintain a connection with the land, even though free access was always available to them. I'd invite you to read the determination (some 259 pages of it), as it goes into much detail over "inventing" and "changing" history to suit themselves.
Am I making any sense? I hope you guys can see where I'm coming from, it really isn't that hard.
PC is a basic human right.
PC sounds harmless enough, and in it's basic intent, is.
PC can get away from you. It already has.
PC, in it's purest form, invades nobody's right to live and work as they please.
But it already has. David nailed it...
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By your reasoning though, Rob, the Islamic kids have the right to stop those Christians who want to from singing Christmas carols lest they be offended by Christian values.
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Checkmate!
Who is at fault? Our society.
Why? Because you really didn't read the fine print before embracing it, did you guys?
You wrote;
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Sure, they believed they were bringing advantages such as "civilization", education law and medicine. They also enslaved aboriginals.
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You'll draw no argument from me there, either. History speaks, we should all take notes.... Much the same way that missionaries brought religion and their version of "civilisation" to those communities out here in the sticks (and indeed dotted all around the country), they also brought with them ideals and a theology that was in stark contrast to the original way of life of the aboriginee.
They also brought with them alcohol. Harmless stuff indeed. Is it? Remember back to what might be termed the "bad old days" when the total prohibition of alchol to aboriginals was supposedly for their own good? Was it? Some might argue it was and some might argue it wasn't. Then along came the Human rights issue of equality, so what happened then? The aboriginal population had direct access to something that their genetic (and I use that term to emphasise that they had no exposure to it before hand, so perhaps no bodily tolerance of the substance), make-up had/has little defence against such a behavioural modifier such as grog.
How did they get this grog? Simple. The basic values of human rights are quite simple. Any one person must have the basic opportunities in life that any other person possesses, regardless of birth, race or creed. No arguments from me here, as I may not agree with what everyone might say, but I'll defend to the death anyone elses right to have as many opportunities as can be made available to them, and their right to say what they think.
Anyway, I've gotten a bit off the trail here, I shall return. Our society in general voted by public concern to make the sale of alcohol to the aboriginals a basic right, which by human rights standards, is good. Where does around (at a guess, mind you) 70% of Australia's population live? It certainly isn't in or near the aboriginal settlements and communities that dot our arid and tropical zones of our great country. It is away from these areas, and one might argue that with this fact there becomes a situation where those in the towns and cities have little or no exposure to the issues that alcohol has created, and even though most of the poulation lives together, it is more or less insulated from the beast they have created. So while the basic concept of equal opportunity is a good one, in some situations it may not neccessarily be the best thing for all.
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I ask, what makes a society civilized? Is it language, art and writing, money or monumental architecture? Just because indiginous Australia had their own religion, languages, art and writing but dipped out on monumental architecture but didn't have the will to displace people, enslave them and farm doesn't mean they weren't civilized. Nomadic cultures have no need for monumental architecture and subsequently never had it. As for money what currency would nomadic tribes need. Probably roo meat and skins.
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Simple, degrees of civilisation. Some value more than others, but none is any less of a race for owning less or trying to live in a place that might be less than ideal to others. Currency, that's a question of local requirements in as much as what people basically need to survive and to hopefully prosper.
What gets up my nose here, is when some people decide to just modify their history slightly to suit themselves or their need. The biggest example of that lays some 50nm west of where I sit and write these words. A nomadic culture relies on the availability of water for survival and travels as such to these places to hunt, gather, and to spiritually connect with the land. I will make a point here and say that the closest semi-permanent water was in the Musgrave Ranges some 150-170 km distant. Did the aboriginees carry water with them while wandering around? No. Yes, the aboriginees did visit this area from time to time, however infrequent. Nowadays the Luritja people (what the call themselves, which in all honesty means "stranger" in the local aboriginal dialect - and I'd invite you to further research that if you'd like further clarification), are re-inventing themselves as the Anangu. Native Title is certainly a fair thing for the aboriginals, as yes, I agree they have a strong claim for what are to them areas of great significance, however they need not try and assert things that did never happen, such as in the case of De Rose v State of South Australia (FCA 1342), in the Federal Court of Australia, where a group of aboriginals have had a native title claim rejected because they have failed to maintain a connection with the land, even though free access was always available to them. I'd invite you to read the determination (some 259 pages of it), as it goes into much detail over "inventing" and "changing" history to suit themselves.
Am I making any sense? I hope you guys can see where I'm coming from, it really isn't that hard.
PC is a basic human right.
PC sounds harmless enough, and in it's basic intent, is.
PC can get away from you. It already has.
PC, in it's purest form, invades nobody's right to live and work as they please.
But it already has. David nailed it...
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By your reasoning though, Rob, the Islamic kids have the right to stop those Christians who want to from singing Christmas carols lest they be offended by Christian values.
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Checkmate!
Who is at fault? Our society.
Why? Because you really didn't read the fine print before embracing it, did you guys?
I still think you may being a little hard on Aussies as a whole. Most of us realise that our poo is indeed somewhat odiferous!
Regards,
OpsN.
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great for your career, great to get out and experience life outside the nest. All these great stories about the locals are true. Sensational flying and well respected at the right end.
No requirement for stupid ignorant yanks on the otherside of the pacific put their "nickels" worth in. The kid wanted actual experience not stats from the net
Winstun...............march on the clowns!
No requirement for stupid ignorant yanks on the otherside of the pacific put their "nickels" worth in. The kid wanted actual experience not stats from the net
Winstun...............march on the clowns!
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From where I read in my insulated little flat back in a major community.... I believe the question was "what was living in a community like?" now it has degenerated in a transpacific argument over why one culture, nation or community is better than another....
I did live in the Kimberly, did everything as I should have, was polite, unbiased and stayed out of the politics.. but one of the worst possible hours of my life happened there... much of which thankfully my mind has chosen to erase. After 2 years I still am very secluded in my social patterns and very rarely make an appearance alone.
Its a difficult thing to put such an event on such a public posting but be warned.... the interests of the society developing, is not as itracommunity as it used to be. These community "representives" dont care who they show violent tendencies toward. (as I patch up yet another victim of a "drive by stabbing")
But for them here are the same resposibilities to be considered for any person in our world.. as it was for my would be rapist... it is a matter of choice....He chose to break in and attack me.. I chose to keep living despite what hed done. He said in court he was drunk, it was a one off..
the fact I was the first of five deliberate stalkings over a number of days, (when he was arrested at the fifth scene he was sober!), held very little water in his argument... but he pleaded he didnt know right from wrong ... he was aboriginal and he hid behind an artificial excuse. Instead of being proud of his culture, he blamed it for everything he had done then hid behind it once again for sentencing, pleading he would be "trapped" in jail and would hang himself... (he got 18 months suspended sentance total)...
He is very much an individual and he made a choice.... it didnt matter what colour he was... (incidentally a full blood from kalumburu) he chose to cross the line between moral and immoral. I never have held his whole culture to blame... I hold him responsible as an individual.... His culture would never have tolerated his behaviour and normally would have condemed him for it...
Many of our so called "do-gooders" dont see the manipulation of the truth and the cunning behind some of these communities.
What he did was outside his own culture... yet he claimed his culture was to blame.
Money is not the issue... when you find kids from a community near here on world vision sponsorship lisitings and have a look at the financial income for the individual families you really have to wonder.... sure the kids are starving but the families concerned recieve over 30,000 each in mining royalties per quarter alone plus welfare, in most cases no rent is paid, minimal electrical costs, and the kids still are malnourished, beaten and raped.
In my new proffession I see more neglect, abuse and attempted murder in the name of culture than I ever saw when I was flying.. Ive seen children killed, degenerative chemical abuse from the age of 3 and 4 yrs, full term pregnacies age 9, and cases of sexually transmitted diseases in preteen years, and devistating multi fatality car accidents caused by drink driving. This behaviour happens on the communities at a very high rate... more so than outside... Our court system cannot deal with the problem effectely in its current state.
The choices are being made everyday..the choice to drink.... spend the families money on grog... violence and degradation of family units. Its a universal problem... .
Just because it presents as a problem of one particular focus race unit doesnt seperate that community from its resonsibity to its members or the visitors responsiblity to the hosting community. Nor has it been stated any where that this is a single race problem. Its world wide problem of epidemic proportions.
Whats it like??..... A mad dance between sanity, diplomacy and realism.... you live a tale that no one will believe... A life you would never trade for another and a real appreciation for the gifts of life, choice and the will to make what ever you want happen for you.
I did live in the Kimberly, did everything as I should have, was polite, unbiased and stayed out of the politics.. but one of the worst possible hours of my life happened there... much of which thankfully my mind has chosen to erase. After 2 years I still am very secluded in my social patterns and very rarely make an appearance alone.
Its a difficult thing to put such an event on such a public posting but be warned.... the interests of the society developing, is not as itracommunity as it used to be. These community "representives" dont care who they show violent tendencies toward. (as I patch up yet another victim of a "drive by stabbing")
But for them here are the same resposibilities to be considered for any person in our world.. as it was for my would be rapist... it is a matter of choice....He chose to break in and attack me.. I chose to keep living despite what hed done. He said in court he was drunk, it was a one off..
the fact I was the first of five deliberate stalkings over a number of days, (when he was arrested at the fifth scene he was sober!), held very little water in his argument... but he pleaded he didnt know right from wrong ... he was aboriginal and he hid behind an artificial excuse. Instead of being proud of his culture, he blamed it for everything he had done then hid behind it once again for sentencing, pleading he would be "trapped" in jail and would hang himself... (he got 18 months suspended sentance total)...
He is very much an individual and he made a choice.... it didnt matter what colour he was... (incidentally a full blood from kalumburu) he chose to cross the line between moral and immoral. I never have held his whole culture to blame... I hold him responsible as an individual.... His culture would never have tolerated his behaviour and normally would have condemed him for it...
Many of our so called "do-gooders" dont see the manipulation of the truth and the cunning behind some of these communities.
What he did was outside his own culture... yet he claimed his culture was to blame.
Money is not the issue... when you find kids from a community near here on world vision sponsorship lisitings and have a look at the financial income for the individual families you really have to wonder.... sure the kids are starving but the families concerned recieve over 30,000 each in mining royalties per quarter alone plus welfare, in most cases no rent is paid, minimal electrical costs, and the kids still are malnourished, beaten and raped.
In my new proffession I see more neglect, abuse and attempted murder in the name of culture than I ever saw when I was flying.. Ive seen children killed, degenerative chemical abuse from the age of 3 and 4 yrs, full term pregnacies age 9, and cases of sexually transmitted diseases in preteen years, and devistating multi fatality car accidents caused by drink driving. This behaviour happens on the communities at a very high rate... more so than outside... Our court system cannot deal with the problem effectely in its current state.
The choices are being made everyday..the choice to drink.... spend the families money on grog... violence and degradation of family units. Its a universal problem... .
Just because it presents as a problem of one particular focus race unit doesnt seperate that community from its resonsibity to its members or the visitors responsiblity to the hosting community. Nor has it been stated any where that this is a single race problem. Its world wide problem of epidemic proportions.
Whats it like??..... A mad dance between sanity, diplomacy and realism.... you live a tale that no one will believe... A life you would never trade for another and a real appreciation for the gifts of life, choice and the will to make what ever you want happen for you.
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Have to agree with the majority of whats been put forward. However my experiences weren,t all bad, infact over time it starts to feel like home. By that i mean you aclimatise and become accepted in some small way (hey bludda !!!) The waste of government money versus results just don,t stack up and never will. Seeing brand new houses in ringer soak,Maningrida,Lajamanu,Balgo, etc etc being trashed with little regard for anything. Then the local building contractors are flown out to repair the damage only to continue this cycle again and again. 
Its a culture sometimes of violence and ignorance) that the so called do gooders clear their concience,s with, in Canberra. Having started at the bottom and seeing the alcohol abuse first hand, is quite an eye opener at first. With reference to the terms restricted and banned i will go out on a limb here and say that no aboriginal community in Australia is or has ever been completely DRY. It stands to reason because theres always those who prey on the vulnerability (@ $$$) of others. When i first started we used to fly grog into an unamed DRY community in winfield red boxs!!!. I doubt much has changed unless your a red wine sipping politician? who just forgot about it???. The reality is if you chose to do it you will be richer for the experience, in knowledge, understanding and maybe just a little ? more tolerant.
Cheers Multi:
Its a culture sometimes of violence and ignorance) that the so called do gooders clear their concience,s with, in Canberra. Having started at the bottom and seeing the alcohol abuse first hand, is quite an eye opener at first. With reference to the terms restricted and banned i will go out on a limb here and say that no aboriginal community in Australia is or has ever been completely DRY. It stands to reason because theres always those who prey on the vulnerability (@ $$$) of others. When i first started we used to fly grog into an unamed DRY community in winfield red boxs!!!. I doubt much has changed unless your a red wine sipping politician? who just forgot about it???. The reality is if you chose to do it you will be richer for the experience, in knowledge, understanding and maybe just a little ? more tolerant. Cheers Multi:
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Beware of scabies.
Remember getting a lift from airport at Rammo on the back of a ute. I was sitting down amongst a few locals and customary snarling mutts. Whilst trying to make the most of a rush of slightly cooler air i noticed a shower of flaky white stuff swirling into my eyes and settling on the black rayons. Clearing my eyes I was treated to the sight of a local lad cheerily scratching away at his scaby encrusted leg with a hacksaw blade.
Remember getting a lift from airport at Rammo on the back of a ute. I was sitting down amongst a few locals and customary snarling mutts. Whilst trying to make the most of a rush of slightly cooler air i noticed a shower of flaky white stuff swirling into my eyes and settling on the black rayons. Clearing my eyes I was treated to the sight of a local lad cheerily scratching away at his scaby encrusted leg with a hacksaw blade.
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Someone compared the communities to the Third World and this always gets my blood up. There is a major fundamental difference to the Third World and your average aboriginal community:
The communities have money thrown at them like it's going out of style, especially around election-time. Where the hell does it all end up??? ATSIC??
It doesn't matter how nice a mansion the gov't builds out there, it'll eventually end up with holes kicked in the doors, windows broken and the roof covered in big rocks (boondies).
You've never seen money burnt until you've been out there and seen it pissed up against so many different walls. You don't see cash like that in Bangladesh.
About the only indication of house-pride I used to see was the sight of an old gin with those skinny legs standing in the doorway with a hose in one hand (and a fag in the other) drowning an uneven patch of grass about the size of manhole cover.
Now and then we'd fly the pollies out there and that was probably responsible for a large part of my anti-mainstream party tendencies nowadays.
Edited to add:
I didn't realise until I looked closer that this is a 3yo thread.
What the hell... while I'm here, I can't comment on living on the communities because I only ever spent a night or two at a time on them now and then.
But the flying out there was some of the best I ever did. Where else can you beat up the town to let the locals know they should come pick you up?
The communities have money thrown at them like it's going out of style, especially around election-time. Where the hell does it all end up??? ATSIC??
It doesn't matter how nice a mansion the gov't builds out there, it'll eventually end up with holes kicked in the doors, windows broken and the roof covered in big rocks (boondies).
You've never seen money burnt until you've been out there and seen it pissed up against so many different walls. You don't see cash like that in Bangladesh.
About the only indication of house-pride I used to see was the sight of an old gin with those skinny legs standing in the doorway with a hose in one hand (and a fag in the other) drowning an uneven patch of grass about the size of manhole cover.
Now and then we'd fly the pollies out there and that was probably responsible for a large part of my anti-mainstream party tendencies nowadays.
Edited to add:
I didn't realise until I looked closer that this is a 3yo thread.
What the hell... while I'm here, I can't comment on living on the communities because I only ever spent a night or two at a time on them now and then.
But the flying out there was some of the best I ever did. Where else can you beat up the town to let the locals know they should come pick you up?
Last edited by DeBurcs; 1st Oct 2005 at 17:56.
Silly Old Git
