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ADF Flight screening
Hello Fellow Ppruners.
Well this is my first post on Pprune, only just found out bout this great site, and already it has been an interesting and often entertaining read.
This saturday i am travelling to tamworth to be put through the PSA flight screening program, in final selection for a pilot officer position in the ADF. For those who don't know, it's 2 weeks of flight testing in the CT4B and CAP 10 aircraft, to evaluate suitabillity for the RAAF...
I'm going in with 0 flying hours, and they say i won't be disadvantaged by this. I have a fairly good basic aeronautical knowledge and a good idea of the training progression and how the ADF operates, but am mainly posting here to see if anyone has any last minute advice or experience they'd like to share with me. Especially in reference to the flying manouevers, ground school, and Selection Board.
Air force is all i've ever wanted and hopefully in three weeks i'll be able to say that i'm in!!!!
Thanks in advance for ya time,
Happy Flying.
Travis .................
Well this is my first post on Pprune, only just found out bout this great site, and already it has been an interesting and often entertaining read.
This saturday i am travelling to tamworth to be put through the PSA flight screening program, in final selection for a pilot officer position in the ADF. For those who don't know, it's 2 weeks of flight testing in the CT4B and CAP 10 aircraft, to evaluate suitabillity for the RAAF...
I'm going in with 0 flying hours, and they say i won't be disadvantaged by this. I have a fairly good basic aeronautical knowledge and a good idea of the training progression and how the ADF operates, but am mainly posting here to see if anyone has any last minute advice or experience they'd like to share with me. Especially in reference to the flying manouevers, ground school, and Selection Board.
Air force is all i've ever wanted and hopefully in three weeks i'll be able to say that i'm in!!!!
Thanks in advance for ya time,
Happy Flying.
Travis .................
Perhaps just try to do your best and try your best to do what you are asked and told to do, rather than what your own youthful confidence, enthusiasm and exuberance might suggest.
More than a few have come unstuck having lost the main plot that the military is not interested in how you might want to do it; more that you give your best effort to do it the way which the system might dictate.
More than a few have come unstuck having lost the main plot that the military is not interested in how you might want to do it; more that you give your best effort to do it the way which the system might dictate.
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An interesting name. Combined with your statement
the fact that you have no flying hours strikes me as strange.
To others out there who may aspire to flying in the military and attending the FSP, it may be an idea to actually go and find out what this flying caper is about. Even a few hours in a Cessna are better that 0. Not only will it show some real motivation, you might even discover that it is not quite your cup of tea. There is a little bit more to being in the RAAF than wearing a leather jacket adorned with patches. Per Ardua Ad Astra.
An interesting name. Combined with your statement
Air force is all i've ever wanted
To others out there who may aspire to flying in the military and attending the FSP, it may be an idea to actually go and find out what this flying caper is about. Even a few hours in a Cessna are better that 0. Not only will it show some real motivation, you might even discover that it is not quite your cup of tea. There is a little bit more to being in the RAAF than wearing a leather jacket adorned with patches. Per Ardua Ad Astra.
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How about giving the guy some support guys and gals?
So he hasn't gone to a flying school and done some lessons, so.
What if?
He lives in the bush and there is no flying school (closing daily)
He doesn't have a spare two weeks rent to toss around, and his folks don't have 125 big ones to make him a cadet.
Like many pruners I remember being 18 ish and could hardly feed myself, it didn't mean I didn't want to fly.
Lets open our minds, he might just remember the support he got from GA when he flies the F35 one day.
So he hasn't gone to a flying school and done some lessons, so.
What if?
He lives in the bush and there is no flying school (closing daily)
He doesn't have a spare two weeks rent to toss around, and his folks don't have 125 big ones to make him a cadet.
Like many pruners I remember being 18 ish and could hardly feed myself, it didn't mean I didn't want to fly.
Lets open our minds, he might just remember the support he got from GA when he flies the F35 one day.
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I hear what you are saying ArnhemDog. The point I am making is that selection for military pilot training is competitive. It is in your own best interests to improve your chances.
#1 - if you go to the FSP with 0 hours, you are behind the 8 ball already, despite what the recruiting people say. A few hours under your belt will help you. I am not saying that it will ensure you success, but it will help.
#2 - if you walk into your interview in front of the selection board, say that you've always wanted to be a pilot in the RAAF, and then say you haven't done any flying, well you have hardly done yourself any favours.
The real world is this - you are an FSP candidate sitting in your CT4 and flying around the TW training area. You are assessed and receive scores on your flying ability. The instructor does not sit back and think about the relative financial or geopgraphical situation of the candidate compared to others, simply how well the sequence has just been flown. Your points are very valid, but at the end of the day they don't count for much.
In addition, I have provided support to people on this forum from time to time.
#1 - if you go to the FSP with 0 hours, you are behind the 8 ball already, despite what the recruiting people say. A few hours under your belt will help you. I am not saying that it will ensure you success, but it will help.
#2 - if you walk into your interview in front of the selection board, say that you've always wanted to be a pilot in the RAAF, and then say you haven't done any flying, well you have hardly done yourself any favours.
The real world is this - you are an FSP candidate sitting in your CT4 and flying around the TW training area. You are assessed and receive scores on your flying ability. The instructor does not sit back and think about the relative financial or geopgraphical situation of the candidate compared to others, simply how well the sequence has just been flown. Your points are very valid, but at the end of the day they don't count for much.
In addition, I have provided support to people on this forum from time to time.
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Likes2 and Rppt,
Having direct and daily contact with the output of Tamworth, flying experience pre military does not necessarily help down track, (I can't speak for Tamworth itself), I've seen guys with 500+ hrs in B206 struggle just as much in the courses as someone who pitches up with nil. It (in my humble opinion) effects when the student hits the learning curve.
With more experience you just hit it further up and more often than not when it's a lot steeper.
As long as the basic ability and medical fitness is there the main requirement is a very strong desire to finish the course and become an ADF pilot.
For Likes2fly, be broad minded in what branch of the ADF flying you are going for, jets aren't the be all and end all
Having direct and daily contact with the output of Tamworth, flying experience pre military does not necessarily help down track, (I can't speak for Tamworth itself), I've seen guys with 500+ hrs in B206 struggle just as much in the courses as someone who pitches up with nil. It (in my humble opinion) effects when the student hits the learning curve.
With more experience you just hit it further up and more often than not when it's a lot steeper.
As long as the basic ability and medical fitness is there the main requirement is a very strong desire to finish the course and become an ADF pilot.
For Likes2fly, be broad minded in what branch of the ADF flying you are going for, jets aren't the be all and end all
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Your points are also valid and I agree with them. To clarify my points however, I am not talking about pilot's course, or conversion, or flying in a line squadron. I am talking about doing well enough at FSP to get an offer for training. I had direct and daily contact with FSP candidates because I used to sit next to them. I can tell you for a fact those with a little bit of flying experience tended to perform better than those who didn't. FSP is a highly competitive environment and if you can afford it, and live near an airport, I would suggest a few hours in a Piper or Cessna would be to your advantage.
Your points are also valid and I agree with them. To clarify my points however, I am not talking about pilot's course, or conversion, or flying in a line squadron. I am talking about doing well enough at FSP to get an offer for training. I had direct and daily contact with FSP candidates because I used to sit next to them. I can tell you for a fact those with a little bit of flying experience tended to perform better than those who didn't. FSP is a highly competitive environment and if you can afford it, and live near an airport, I would suggest a few hours in a Piper or Cessna would be to your advantage.
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I've seen several cadets from the Air League get into the ADF as aircrew - most of them had some flying experience, be it gliding, a PPL or even just 10 hours or so flying. Most of them felt that it helped them at flight screening.
