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Old 11th Mar 2024, 03:20
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Originally Posted by mikewil
Oh come on, what a load of BS.

Those who fly airliners aren't actually being monitored by the CVR & FDR, unless the airline is pulling them out after each flight to retrieve the data?
Would airline guys and girls really be happy if airlines were doing this so they could performance manage their pilots or critique every aspect of their operation on the flight deck, I don't think they would...

There is a big difference between a FDR/CVR recording which would be retrieved only after an accident/major incident and a camera recording everything and then having it retrieved after each flight by wireless means, then to be used by anyone with access to it like management types who have a beef against someone.
I can tell you for a fact that QARs and CVRs were being pulled and monitored on a regular basis, usually at the end of a days work, in my old outfit 20 years ago. Crews were frequently being asked to appear for explanation. So much so that a crew notice was put out threatening anyone who pushed the erase button on the CVR, no incident or accident required.
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Old 11th Mar 2024, 03:56
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Originally Posted by Deja vu
I can tell you for a fact that QARs and CVRs were being pulled and monitored on a regular basis, usually at the end of a days work, in my old outfit 20 years ago.
​​​​​​​CVRs? Which company?
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Old 11th Mar 2024, 06:34
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A flight data monitoring program is in effect in most airlines, all data from the FDRs is downloaded and analysed. This is used to identify trends and devise an appropriate response, eg focusing on specific areas in recurrent training or putting restrictions in place. This is anonymous however certain events will automatically flag up, such as a GPWS warning, unstabilised approach, overweight landing, speed exceedence etc. Raise a flag and you will be identified resulting in an invitation for tea and biscuits, some events are mandatory reports to the authority which are far more serious.
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Old 11th Mar 2024, 07:54
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Great idea! We have cameras in our flight simulators that can be used during debriefs so why not this.
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Old 12th Mar 2024, 01:15
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Originally Posted by Martinflyer
Great idea! We have cameras in our flight simulators that can be used during debriefs so why not this.
Using them for debriefs is a great idea, using them for discipline and underhanded control of staff is another. There must be solid policy on how and when the images should be used, and after what period they should be destroyed, otherwise, it can be used against you when you least expect it. You have to be very careful with regards to the law on this, as most of it is continually changing. You don't want to be hauled in for charges on something that happened 20 years prior because the images still exists and you are being charged on the new eras laws for another eras mistake.
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Old 12th Mar 2024, 08:32
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Originally Posted by deja vu
I can tell you for a fact that QARs and CVRs were being pulled and monitored on a regular basis, usually at the end of a days work, in my old outfit 20 years ago. Crews were frequently being asked to appear for explanation. So much so that a crew notice was put out threatening anyone who pushed the erase button on the CVR, no incident or accident required.
Few crew would understand that pushing the 'erase' button on the CVR does not, of itself, actually erase the CVR. A number of other logic gates have to be closed, too...
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Old 12th Mar 2024, 08:37
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Originally Posted by krismiler
A flight data monitoring program is in effect in most airlines, all data from the FDRs is downloaded and analysed. This is used to identify trends and devise an appropriate response, eg focusing on specific areas in recurrent training or putting restrictions in place. This is anonymous however certain events will automatically flag up, such as a GPWS warning, unstabilised approach, overweight landing, speed exceedence etc. Raise a flag and you will be identified resulting in an invitation for tea and biscuits, some events are mandatory reports to the authority which are far more serious.
Those voluntarily created records would not attract the same protections as OBRs do in the TSI Act and equivalents OS. It'll come to a head, one way or the other, eventually.
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