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Old 1st Feb 2024, 06:10
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SUSI Air training

Hello.

I've recently graduated from a flying school and my TT is 250 on the dot.
As someone who is 37 years old and spent his entire savings on my training to get CPL, I am not in any financial position to pursue Instructor course, so I have started looking for opportunities and I am thinking about applying for Susi Air.

Is there any information about the operator you might share with me? I've watched a lot of videos regarding Susi Air, and I am curious about their training procedure. Their recruitment questionnaire says I may lose my training fee if I fail to graduate.

What are their recruitment procedure like nowadays?

Thank you in advance.

Alex
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Old 1st Feb 2024, 08:33
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Great job, leads to bigger and better things.

Right seat of a Caravan great furst job.

I have several mates who went through the Susi system.
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Old 1st Feb 2024, 21:39
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As long as you are guaranteed a job if you DO graduate, it appears to be one way of gaining some great experience. Flying in a demanding foreign environment is very character building. In that part of the world you will get experience you could never get at home.
If you have doubts about your ability to graduate, aviation is probably not a good career choice.
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Can you actually count the time spent flying right seat of a van though?
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Can you actually count the time spent flying right seat of a van though?
They employ first officers on the Caravan so obviously you would be able to log it, they operate scheduled flights, could be a regulatory requirement.

Flew VH- aircraft in Oz that were single pilot IMC or VMC but employer decided to have copilots and they duly logged the time.
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Originally Posted by megan
they duly logged the time.
Duly logged does not equate to legally logged! Just sayin.
You can log what you want.
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Old 25th Feb 2024, 09:47
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
Duly logged does not equate to legally logged! Just sayin.
You can log what you want.
Yup

Many years of perusing logbooks at interviews had resulted in my hearing some hilarious justifications. The subsequent shaking of my head in disbelief gave me the best cardio exercise.

To the OP, whether or not you can legally log your time in the RHS is irrelevant. Susi will upgrade you to the LHS as soon as you’re ready. Spend you time in the RHS learning. Be a sponge.

Just go for it. Enjoy the work, enjoy the job, fit in, be a team player… you’ll do great.
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Old 25th Feb 2024, 10:13
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61.085 will skewer an employer determining that the RHS pilot is required on an otherwise single pilot certified aircraft/ operation. It's not co-pilot flight time.

61.360 stops you putting it into your logbook.

Old regs may have been different.
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61.085 will skewer an employer determining that the RHS pilot is required on an otherwise single pilot certified aircraft/ operation. It's not co-pilot flight time.

61.360 stops you putting it into your logbook.

Old regs may have been different.
I believe the old regs were the same.
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Under CASA regulations it may not count or be unclear, but under the Indonesian regulations it is not a single pilot operation...they carry up to twelve passengers (and have SOPs) and as such are required to have two flight crew.

Beech 1900s and Twin Otters have the same consideration - certified single pilot, but due to passenger numbers may require a second pilot and SOPs, among other things and that the right seat time is accepted for ATPLs.
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Yes. That’s why I used the term “employer determining”.

If the regs mandate 2 crew then it’s co pilot flight time.
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From memory it was seating 10 or more passengers required 2 crew under the CASRs. From experience most employers will consider it towards total time as long as you have PIC and not just Caravan SIC.
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If the local regulations allow it, log as co pilot while you are RHS. You are not in CASA Land, so disregard how they could interpret it - the flying you do on a foreign licence is none of CASA’s business. Whether a future employer accepts co pilot in a Van or not won’t matter. When it comes, command time is what will enable you to move up the food chain. Meanwhile enjoy the journey and learn from it.
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From memory it was seating 10 or more passengers required 2 crew under the CASRs
It was a twelve pax seat aircraft (helo) that I refer to used in a private operation, we used to fly single pilot prior to the employer going two pilot. Could have been at CASA's insistance perhaps because of the nine pax rule, don't know, ops manual detailed two pilot operation, the devil is in the detail. The manufacturers flight manual permitted single pilot irrespective of number of pax. Their time was accepted by the industry as most operators flew the helo two crew.
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Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli
If the local regulations allow it, log as co pilot while you are RHS. You are not in CASA Land, so disregard how they could interpret it - the flying you do on a foreign licence is none of CASA’s business. Whether a future employer accepts co pilot in a Van or not won’t matter. When it comes, command time is what will enable you to move up the food chain. Meanwhile enjoy the journey and learn from it.

No one needs to comply with CASA's rules if flying on a foreign licence in a foreign country and the regulator in the country allows it.

Who cares if the hours aren't recognised in Australia, as Australia in my opinion is no longer the country of choice to fly and work in due to many reasons and some of them aren't aviation related....


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Originally Posted by ikarusdk
Hello.

I've recently graduated from a flying school and my TT is 250 on the dot.
As someone who is 37 years old and spent his entire savings on my training to get CPL, I am not in any financial position to pursue Instructor course, so I have started looking for opportunities and I am thinking about applying for Susi Air.

Is there any information about the operator you might share with me? I've watched a lot of videos regarding Susi Air, and I am curious about their training procedure. Their recruitment questionnaire says I may lose my training fee if I fail to graduate.

What are their recruitment procedure like nowadays?

Thank you in advance.

Alex
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Many years ago I was at Susi. At that time I contacted CASA and asked whether my hours in the right seat would count towards the issue of an ATPL. They responded in the affirmative so when I hit the magical 1500 hour mark (including 500 odd hours of right seat Caravan time) I duly applied for and was issued a CASA ATPL.
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