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Old 8th Jan 2024, 23:25
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PC I agree. I should of qualified my statement
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Years ago there was a Caravan that dead sticked onto Lake Burbury in Tasmania. The first indication that all was not right was a chip detector light. Not long after the engine stopped and they were all very lucky that they were not over the mountains. That was caused by a starter/generator electrical spike making its way into the main bearing causing pitting. The chip detector light was the first indication that the bearing was about to self-destruct.
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Were the trees at the end of the strip Notamed?
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No. But infringing trees are noted as obstacles in the ERSA entry.
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Without speculating, if it was a turn back due to a loss of power, the pilot has done an exceptional job with a good outcome albeit that the machine is a write off.

The accident also demonstrates the strength and integrity of the airframe for everyone to survive without any major injuries. If it was in a low wing aircraft, I’m certain that the outcome would have been a lot worse.
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Old 9th Jan 2024, 10:58
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If it was in a low wing aircraft, I’m certain that the outcome would have been a lot worse.
How do do reckon a PC12 would stack up in comparison, pardon the pun?
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Old 9th Jan 2024, 12:03
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot
Without speculating…. If it was in a low wing aircraft, I’m certain that the outcome would have been a lot worse.
Umm. Ok.

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How do do reckon a PC12 would stack up in comparison, pardon the pun?
Well, it would have glided further for a start…
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Old 10th Jan 2024, 05:05
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot
Without speculating, if it was a turn back due to a loss of power, the pilot has done an exceptional job with a good outcome albeit that the machine is a write off.

The accident also demonstrates the strength and integrity of the airframe for everyone to survive without any major injuries. If it was in a low wing aircraft, I’m certain that the outcome would have been a lot worse.
Certainly NO LACK of power from the engine!
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Old 12th Jan 2024, 04:21
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Have a look at the ground speed on the flight aware data. He is at 185kts for an extended period. A combination of the speed and tracking might give some hints to what the nature of the failure was.

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Old 12th Jan 2024, 21:11
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Lizard Island - Aircraft Overshoot.

Correct. But this appears to be different.

The photo that shows two blades in feather shows them both bent similarly in the same direction as if under a lot of power. If the blades in feather had no engine power being delivered to them, they would have been free wheeling at very slow RPM and upon impact with the ground, the damage would be different.
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How do do reckon a PC12 would stack up in comparison, pardon the pun?
I would say apples to apples, a fatal or many fatalities.
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Old 28th Jan 2024, 22:44
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Feather or Beta? Could have been trying to slow himself down after touchdown. Should be doing 80-100KIAS depending on config during the glide. I don't think it was a turnback now from what I've seen.


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Old 29th Jan 2024, 07:10
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The ATSB think it might have been a turnback.
From the preliminary report:
"During initial climb, the aircraft experienced engine issues and the pilot attempted to return to Lizard Island. During landing the aircraft collided with trees and came to rest inverted. The aircraft sustained substantial damage and there were reports of serious injuries among the occupants."
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The ATSB think it might have been a turnback.
I guess that they would have asked the people on board by now and established that fact.
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Old 30th Jan 2024, 00:45
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The ATSB think it might have been a turnback.
From the preliminary report:
"During initial climb, the aircraft experienced engine issues and the pilot attempted to return to Lizard Island. During landing the aircraft collided with trees and came to rest inverted. The aircraft sustained substantial damage and there were reports of serious injuries among the occupants."
That's a bold statement.
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The reports iv heard is it was an un commanded increase in torque. The pilot then returned to land, shut the engine down on approach to land and subsequently overshot/landed long. That would explain the 185kt ground speed.
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Old 30th Jan 2024, 18:56
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Originally Posted by Requestcode
The reports iv heard is it was an un commanded increase in torque. The pilot then returned to land, shut the engine down on approach to land and subsequently overshot/landed long. That would explain the 185kt ground speed.

That is correct.
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Old 30th Jan 2024, 19:08
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Rookie, it was still a turnback of some sort, regardless of engine failure or un-commanded increase in torque. I just quoted from the Preliminary Report from the ATSB. "...and the pilot attempted to return to Lizard Island."
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Old 31st Jan 2024, 03:15
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And the pilot attempted to return. Very different to a turnback
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Old 31st Jan 2024, 05:45
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Originally Posted by Requestcode
The reports iv heard is it was an un commanded increase in torque. The pilot then returned to land, shut the engine down on approach to land and subsequently overshot/landed long. That would explain the 185kt ground speed.
There was recently a similar event in Canada on January 10, I think. A DHC-3T had an uncommanded increase in torque, exceeded Vmo, then ended up short of the runway.
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