Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions
Reload this Page >

Light aircraft down near McKinlay, Qld

Wikiposts
Search
The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions The place for students, instructors and charter guys in Oz, NZ and the rest of Oceania.

Light aircraft down near McKinlay, Qld

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 4th Nov 2023, 06:17
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Aero commander down QLD

have heard that while on a bushfire-related flight out of Toowoomba, Victorian-based Agair Logistics P/L Gulfstream American Corporation 695A Jetprop Commander 1000 VH-HPY as "Birddog 370", has been uncontactable and now vanished from radar between Cloncurry and Mount Isa…
UPDATES…
RFDS King Air “Flydoc445” is diverting towards Cloncurry to have a look.
Mount Isa based helicopter “Rescue 400” heading out to look.
Ground crew from Cloncurry heading out too.
ADF Cessna 208 Caravan “Waler 11” might also come down from Borroloola.
wheelyfunny is offline  
Old 4th Nov 2023, 08:05
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Oz
Posts: 59
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Light aircraft down near McKinlay, Qld

ABC article

”multiple occupants” 😢
Just a Grunt is offline  
Old 4th Nov 2023, 08:18
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Sydney
Posts: 254
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
3 POB
onehitwonder is offline  
Old 4th Nov 2023, 08:25
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Australia
Posts: 555
Received 79 Likes on 38 Posts
From the AustralianThe Australian

“Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) has launched an investigation.

A witness told Nine News they had seen a plume of smoke about 30km off the Landsborough Highway around the area the plane reportedly crashed.

Investigations into the incident are ongoing.

No aircraft has yet been found.

It’s understood the missing plane is 275 Gulfstream 695A Jetprop Commander 1000 known as a “Birddog”.

The plane disappeared of the flight radar between Mt Isa and Cloncurry after departing Toowoomba earlier in the day.”

VH-HPY matches the type and can be seen on FR 24 in the area at 28000 ft until it slows and descends and then disappears.

Last edited by Cloudee; 4th Nov 2023 at 08:37.
Cloudee is offline  
Old 4th Nov 2023, 09:05
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Aus
Posts: 2,789
Received 415 Likes on 229 Posts
Very odd last 3 minutes of recorded flight. 28,000ft, 220 kts then slows to 107 kts, turns left rapidly through about 240 deg left descending and accelerating rapidly to 25,000 then disappears off tracking. The last few months has been awful for GA.
43Inches is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 4th Nov 2023, 09:11
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Oz
Age: 68
Posts: 1,913
Received 295 Likes on 124 Posts
Very strange. Another one that has just dropped like a brick looking at the data with that rego above. Terrible.

Satellite looks clear and cell activity which was also building was over Georgetown way. Seemed well clear.
PoppaJo is offline  
Old 4th Nov 2023, 09:16
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Cab of a Freight Train
Posts: 1,218
Received 117 Likes on 61 Posts
What'd cause the descent from FL280 -> FL150 and climb back to 280 early in the piece? Do the firescan ops require that, or could it be indicative of a pressurisation issue?

-HPY was also the rego of the Twotter we lost in PNG when the students turned up the wrong valley and couldn't outclimb the terrain.
KRviator is offline  
Old 4th Nov 2023, 09:20
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: QLD
Posts: 12
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Jetprop commander crash Northwest QLD

Listening in on frequency this arvo and the aircraft in question didn't make any radio communications or respond to ATC when it first descended from FL280 and later dropped off ADSB coverage at FL247, reportedly in a steep descent. Last I heard the wreckage was spotted and based on my understanding it was one that you don't walk away from. Does anyone have any updates on the health of the pilot & pax??
HalfGreen is offline  
Old 4th Nov 2023, 09:25
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Aus
Posts: 2,789
Received 415 Likes on 229 Posts
Originally Posted by KRviator
What'd cause the descent from FL280 -> FL150 and climb back to 280 early in the piece? Do the firescan ops require that, or could it be indicative of a pressurisation issue?

-HPY was also the rego of the Twotter we lost in PNG when the students turned up the wrong valley and couldn't outclimb the terrain.
My first thoughts were pressurization with the altitude involved. The speed seems to indicate that perhaps there was quite a bit of headwind at 280 giving them a GS of around 220kts, then descent to 150 and they were making 250kts, possibly indicating less headwind. The track also looks like it made a slight right turn at one point and is missing Isa by some distance, which further lends to possible pressurization issues. The final part looks like possibly power loss, windmilling prop would slow it down fast at that level, left engine, slows, stall warning disconnects autopilot and it rolls and descends to the left, which is the path it would follow if the crew were not in a position to control it. I'm not familiar with the 695A but if it has multiple tanks it could have run one dry by then if the pilot was unconscious. In any case it's another bad day for GA. Does the 695A have recording equipment? if so that might be the only real clue to what has happened.
43Inches is offline  
Old 4th Nov 2023, 09:28
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2022
Location: North Haven
Posts: 214
Received 165 Likes on 78 Posts
Reports are saying 3 on board. AC69?

Last edited by Mr Mossberg; 4th Nov 2023 at 09:46. Reason: Wrong acft type quoted.
Mr Mossberg is offline  
Old 4th Nov 2023, 09:37
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 3,878
Received 193 Likes on 100 Posts
Originally Posted by 43Inches
Very odd last 3 minutes of recorded flight. 28,000ft, 220 kts then slows to 107 kts, turns left rapidly through about 240 deg left descending and accelerating rapidly to 25,000 then disappears off tracking. The last few months has been awful for GA.
Is that typical of an asymmetrical event? I was coincidentally reading about one of these recently that lost an engine and ended up in a spin.

Squawk7700 is offline  
Old 4th Nov 2023, 09:50
  #12 (permalink)  
CIC
 
Join Date: Nov 2023
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 48
Received 22 Likes on 17 Posts
If the aircraft was conducting fire spotting ops and was on task then the possibility of being caught in a 'firestorm' similar to a thunderstorm is a consideration.
The 690A Turbo Commanders has a very low Vma speed and structural failure in a firestorm is a possibility.
There was a B200 operated by xxx xxx at Essendon many years ago caught in a firestorm event and bent the wings. The pilot and crew was very lucky to survive.

Last edited by CIC; 4th Nov 2023 at 10:59.
CIC is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 4th Nov 2023, 10:12
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Sunshine Coast
Posts: 1,173
Received 201 Likes on 99 Posts
Reporting in The Australian,
Wreckage was found about 40km northwest of McKinlay, 230km southeast of Mt Isa, around 5pm on Saturday.
Behind a paywall
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/three-feared-dead-in-queensland-plane-crash/news-story/76e401a59cabb97015a13f4c32ad7f48

VH-HPY AC95 according to FR24

Last edited by MickG0105; 4th Nov 2023 at 10:23.
MickG0105 is offline  
Old 4th Nov 2023, 10:23
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: sierra village
Posts: 674
Received 115 Likes on 60 Posts
Was the aircraft in one piece at impact?

I have a vague recollection that Vb is quite low for a speedy aircraft.
lucille is offline  
Old 4th Nov 2023, 10:24
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 131
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
ABC News
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-...urry/103065708

0ttoL is offline  
Old 4th Nov 2023, 10:32
  #16 (permalink)  
CIC
 
Join Date: Nov 2023
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 48
Received 22 Likes on 17 Posts
The aircraft register shows HPY is a Turbo Commander 690A.
CIC is offline  
Old 4th Nov 2023, 10:42
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Australia
Posts: 941
Received 26 Likes on 10 Posts
Originally Posted by KRviator
What'd cause the descent from FL280 -> FL150 and climb back to 280 early in the piece? Do the firescan ops require that, or could it be indicative of a pressurisation issue?

-HPY was also the rego of the Twotter we lost in PNG when the students turned up the wrong valley and couldn't outclimb the terrain.
Students? Where was the instructor?
ozbiggles is offline  
Old 4th Nov 2023, 10:49
  #18 (permalink)  
CIC
 
Join Date: Nov 2023
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 48
Received 22 Likes on 17 Posts
The Twin Otter was being flown in PNG.
The aircraft was on lease to the Australian Army
The instructor was in the cabin

Last edited by CIC; 4th Nov 2023 at 11:00.
CIC is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 4th Nov 2023, 10:52
  #19 (permalink)  
Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: various places .....
Posts: 7,186
Received 94 Likes on 63 Posts
Three similar threads merged.
john_tullamarine is offline  
Old 4th Nov 2023, 11:18
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: NSW Australia
Posts: 2,455
Received 33 Likes on 15 Posts
A friend of mine was killed in a GAM Aerocommander at Killmore Gap when the wings clapped.
I can't help but wonder how much low level FAC/Bird-Doggin' this machine has done.
How very sad for the friends and families. So sad.
Horatio Leafblower is offline  
The following users liked this post:


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.