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Old 11th Sep 2023, 01:31
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Originally Posted by roundsounds

Not difficult to see what the WSI CTR will look like, simply copy YSSY and paste it in WSI.
Big differences between KSA and WSI, crossing runways vs single runway alignment. VFR lane over the top of KSA would work in the 16 direction but not the 34 direction due to the 90 degree turns from both 34L and 34R, besides which there ain't many destinations east of Sydney (LHI?). WSI is another matter.
If KSA only operated parallel runways (and shutdown 07/25) then the CTR would be a different shape, except the Eastern Suburbs would lobby for a retention of existing shape to the North East.
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Old 11th Sep 2023, 01:34
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Originally Posted by cogwheel
A VFR lane over the top is indeed an option, just something new in Oz.
Down here in YMML, the 'VFR Lane over the top" (technically for "training, survey and airwork flights") entry in ERSA states "Operations WI the lateral confines of the ML CTR should be conducted ABV A060. Lower altitudes may not be available or will incur extensive delays." so, no, not really new...

It's just difficult to see how anyone departing YSBK in anything other than a high-performance helo could possibly climb high enough overhead WSI to make use of any similar VFR "lane" without (a) annoying the neighbours, (b) infringing adjoining YSSY airspace or (c) burning a hole in their wallet sufficient to warrant going the long way around.
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Old 11th Sep 2023, 01:41
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Originally Posted by sunnySA
If KSA only operated parallel runways (and shutdown 07/25) ...
Ooo, be careful what you wish for! That's a lot of nice International Terminal expansion and parking apron space you're talking about there
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Old 11th Sep 2023, 09:54
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A guy at the ‘secret meeting’ asked the question about a lane overhead WSI and was told there would be a lane, but it would only be open to EMS traffic. That is, Joe Punter will not be permitted to use it. The meeting was told the risk was too high for others to use.

if this is the case, EMS drivers must have a different Part 61 license than that what issued to me! (Note my sarcasm). But seriously, you either meet the standard for issue of a license or you don’t. It’ll be interesting to see if the mentioning of these lane operations will be a requirement within the EMS operators exposition as that is the only way I would suggest the ‘theory’ of increase risk could be mitigated!
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Old 11th Sep 2023, 11:40
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That makes sense. Joe Punter in Australia is so much more stupid and prone to sudden incapacitation than their US equivalents who meander, gumby-like and gripping their palpitating chests, while over-flying LAX.
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Old 11th Sep 2023, 23:14
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
That makes sense. Joe Punter in Australia is so much more stupid and prone to sudden incapacitation than their US equivalents who meander, gumby-like and gripping their palpitating chests, while over-flying LAX.
Whilst not exactly over-flying, it's not unknown for GA to "interfere" with ops at major airports here. Case in point being a Super Petrel forced-landing at KSA only just last month. From RAAus:

Approaching Jibbon Point, the pilot made a call on 120.8 advising Victor One traffic of their position and altitude. At Cronulla beach, the pilot started to feel a vibration that wasn't normal and the passenger, who was also a regular flyer, also made comment. They started to consider their options which included landing on Cronulla Beach or on the water at either Weeney or Botany Bay but at the same time the passenger asked if they should return. The pilot commenced a right hand turn as they believed the better option was staying in the Botany Bay area, then Sydney Tower and declared an emergency, squawked 7700 and advised them that they had engine vibrations and requested to Land at YSSY. The pilot suggested that a water landing on Botany Bay was possible but that a runway was the preferred option. The aircraft was cleared directly from its position in Victor One for a landing on 34L. At approx. 50' over the threshold of 34L the engine stopped but made an otherwise safe landing on the runway. Once stopped on the runway just north of B5 taxiway they were met by the RFS units. Shortly after an Airport vehicle recovered a blade that had detached at approximately the same time as the engine failed.

Of course it'd never turn out that nicely at LAX.
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Old 11th Sep 2023, 23:37
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Originally Posted by PiperCameron

Whilst not exactly over-flying, it's not unknown for GA to "interfere" with ops at major airports here. Case in point being a Super Petrel forced-landing at KSA only just last month.
Of course it'd never turn out that nicely at LAX.
You can fly light aircraft into LAX.
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Old 12th Sep 2023, 07:39
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You will never have a problem from ATC if you declare a mayday. If you also state your requirements regarding the mayday it won't be questioned.
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Old 12th Sep 2023, 07:50
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An aircraft suffered engine problems and landed safely at a nearby aerodrome, facilitated by ATC? I would have thought that that's what's supposed to happen. And the aircraft was apparently flying around, rather than over, that aerodrome. I would struggle to understand why that event would be construed as justification for not having an overhead lane, but then I remind myself that this is Australia.
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Old 12th Sep 2023, 10:20
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Lead, whilever an Australian is involved in ATC, airspace, regulation etc, there will never overhead lanes.
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