automation, a lighter note
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automation, a lighter note
According to the Washington Post there have been 736 accidents and 17 deaths since 2019 caused by the Tesla self driving "Autopilot".
So who wants to get into a toy drone self piloting air taxi, with 3D to get lost in, with failing battery power that will leave you mid air with no fans on a dark and stormy night when the weather closes in and all nearby airtaxi ports are full?
Seabreeze
So who wants to get into a toy drone self piloting air taxi, with 3D to get lost in, with failing battery power that will leave you mid air with no fans on a dark and stormy night when the weather closes in and all nearby airtaxi ports are full?
Seabreeze
That’s a bit harsh on Tesla. The poor things must try to counter their own driver ineptitude while simultaneously avoiding other idiot drivers, ie about half the adult population (or 75% in Western Australia).
Future drones will only need to avoid seagulls, and the very rare remaining airborne pilot having a brain fart. My toy drone is already as smart as my kelpie. Follows me, gets up close to trees without hitting them, comes home every time, and when it's low on energy settles gently to the ground. The kelpie barks to come inside during thunderstorms. Advanced drones could be programmed to have a similar aversion to such events. So the only thing not to like about 'toy' drones is the fact that battery technology is not yet fit for extended airborne use.
Not that I would buy a battery powered car until they build one that can go as far between fuel stops as my ute (1000km) and be refilled in five minutes, with little or no waiting at the bowser. I can hardly wait for the line-up of 100 charging points for EVs in every town or at every roadhouse - in some places the lights will surely go out. That alone makes diesel vehicles in this country safe from the scrap heap for at least another 15 years. But I concede that battery technology for vehicles could rapidly improve to eventually rival diesel vehicle range, if not rapid refuel capability. It won't happen so fast in an aviation context - the idea of a battery powered medium range or long range viable transport aircraft with a decent payload will probably remain a fantasy forever. Supersonic jets burning some form of liquid fuel are more likely the way long haul passenger flights will go.
EVs are currently ideal for latte' sipping city types (decaf-soy milk of course) who want to feel all fuzzy about saving the planet (which they are decidedly NOT) while cruising down the local boulevarde in search of a vegan-only restaurant.
Existing batteries do have some worthwhile uses…in mobility scooters for the elderly, and vibrators for the frustrated.
Kerosene powered large military drones rock. Just add windows and seats and "shut up and take my money!"
Future drones will only need to avoid seagulls, and the very rare remaining airborne pilot having a brain fart. My toy drone is already as smart as my kelpie. Follows me, gets up close to trees without hitting them, comes home every time, and when it's low on energy settles gently to the ground. The kelpie barks to come inside during thunderstorms. Advanced drones could be programmed to have a similar aversion to such events. So the only thing not to like about 'toy' drones is the fact that battery technology is not yet fit for extended airborne use.
Not that I would buy a battery powered car until they build one that can go as far between fuel stops as my ute (1000km) and be refilled in five minutes, with little or no waiting at the bowser. I can hardly wait for the line-up of 100 charging points for EVs in every town or at every roadhouse - in some places the lights will surely go out. That alone makes diesel vehicles in this country safe from the scrap heap for at least another 15 years. But I concede that battery technology for vehicles could rapidly improve to eventually rival diesel vehicle range, if not rapid refuel capability. It won't happen so fast in an aviation context - the idea of a battery powered medium range or long range viable transport aircraft with a decent payload will probably remain a fantasy forever. Supersonic jets burning some form of liquid fuel are more likely the way long haul passenger flights will go.
EVs are currently ideal for latte' sipping city types (decaf-soy milk of course) who want to feel all fuzzy about saving the planet (which they are decidedly NOT) while cruising down the local boulevarde in search of a vegan-only restaurant.
Existing batteries do have some worthwhile uses…in mobility scooters for the elderly, and vibrators for the frustrated.
Kerosene powered large military drones rock. Just add windows and seats and "shut up and take my money!"
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To answer that question, anyone silly enough to own a Tesla...hopefully.
Last edited by Mach E Avelli; 11th Jun 2023 at 06:41. Reason: Tesla drivers have eclipsed Volvo/Audi/BMW/Porsche drivers.
According to the Washington Post there have been 736 accidents and 17 deaths since 2019 caused by the Tesla self driving "Autopilot".
So who wants to get into a toy drone self piloting air taxi, with 3D to get lost in, with failing battery power that will leave you mid air with no fans on a dark and stormy night when the weather closes in and all nearby airtaxi ports are full?
Seabreeze
So who wants to get into a toy drone self piloting air taxi, with 3D to get lost in, with failing battery power that will leave you mid air with no fans on a dark and stormy night when the weather closes in and all nearby airtaxi ports are full?
Seabreeze
Are there challenges to work out? Absolutely but pretending like they're somehow insurmountable only shows your lack of imagination. I imagine there were people like you in the past that said the same things about Aircraft once upon a time too you know? Probably compared them to steam-driven trains or cruise liners. If you're truly this scared of new tech taking over and leaving you high and dry, then wh not try thinking about how to upskill and remain relevant in the future instead?
According to the Washington Post there have been 736 accidents and 17 deaths since 2019 caused by the Tesla self driving "Autopilot".
So who wants to get into a toy drone self piloting air taxi, with 3D to get lost in, with failing battery power that will leave you mid air with no fans on a dark and stormy night when the weather closes in and all nearby airtaxi ports are full?
Seabreeze
So who wants to get into a toy drone self piloting air taxi, with 3D to get lost in, with failing battery power that will leave you mid air with no fans on a dark and stormy night when the weather closes in and all nearby airtaxi ports are full?
Seabreeze
"Autopilot" is a misnomer and is the lowest level of technology available on all Teslas. What this article highlights is that there is a lot more work to do with respect to human machine interfaces and mode awareness. A Tesla owner/driver receives next to no formal training whatsoever on the autonomous features of the vehicle. Lessons undoubtedly applicable to aviation. It is too soon to say whether we will ever be sitting in a self-piloting air taxi on a dark and stormy night but I would hazard a guess, not in my lifetime.
There are actually self driving vehicles on the road, the self driving Taxis in California have no driver at all, numerous buses, and industrial and agricultural vehicles around the world. It's getting to be a fairly mature technology that is being more and more widely accepted.
As said above the Tesla 'Autopilot' was never signed off as a driverless capability, more a driver assist function, which can drive the vehicle without human input, but requires human attention to ensure it works as intended. Much the same as aircraft 'autopilots', requiring somebody to monitor it's progress and make decisions outside its programming.
Will you stake your life on a flying driverless drone? probably within our lifetime it will happen.
I would much prefer driverless taxis these days as the conversation is just awkward with some of the drivers lately, and a drone would probably drive safer.
I'd assume the whole party in an driverless SFO taxi could be drunk and no one would be liable for the operation of it from within. Which will be great when its approved for private cars.
As said above the Tesla 'Autopilot' was never signed off as a driverless capability, more a driver assist function, which can drive the vehicle without human input, but requires human attention to ensure it works as intended. Much the same as aircraft 'autopilots', requiring somebody to monitor it's progress and make decisions outside its programming.
Will you stake your life on a flying driverless drone? probably within our lifetime it will happen.
I would much prefer driverless taxis these days as the conversation is just awkward with some of the drivers lately, and a drone would probably drive safer.
I'd assume the whole party in an driverless SFO taxi could be drunk and no one would be liable for the operation of it from within. Which will be great when its approved for private cars.
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A bite?
Throw in a line with a tasty (interesting) bait and Ixixly bites hard....agreed I was not presenting a thorough and complete argument.
Yet the point remains that the programming nerds fail over and over again to take into account the entire possible decision tree for all phases of flight (or road trip). And they never can.
The statistics may well be tilted, but those who want the nanny state to take over their lives have probably not read Orwells 1984, or considered the complete control some governments crave.
Yet the point remains that the programming nerds fail over and over again to take into account the entire possible decision tree for all phases of flight (or road trip). And they never can.
The statistics may well be tilted, but those who want the nanny state to take over their lives have probably not read Orwells 1984, or considered the complete control some governments crave.
That’s a bit harsh on Tesla. The poor things must try to counter their own driver ineptitude while simultaneously avoiding other idiot drivers, ie about half the adult population (or 75% in Western Australia).
Future drones will only need to avoid seagulls, and the very rare remaining airborne pilot having a brain fart. My toy drone is already as smart as my kelpie. Follows me, gets up close to trees without hitting them, comes home every time, and when it's low on energy settles gently to the ground. The kelpie barks to come inside during thunderstorms. Advanced drones could be programmed to have a similar aversion to such events. So the only thing not to like about 'toy' drones is the fact that battery technology is not yet fit for extended airborne use.
Not that I would buy a battery powered car until they build one that can go as far between fuel stops as my ute (1000km) and be refilled in five minutes, with little or no waiting at the bowser. I can hardly wait for the line-up of 100 charging points for EVs in every town or at every roadhouse - in some places the lights will surely go out. That alone makes diesel vehicles in this country safe from the scrap heap for at least another 15 years. But I concede that battery technology for vehicles will rapidly improve to eventually rival diesel vehicle range, if not rapid refuel capability. It won't happen so fast in an aviation context - the idea of a battery powered medium range or long range viable transport aircraft will remain a fantasy for a very, very long time.
EVs are currently ideal for latte' sipping city types who want to feel all fuzzy about saving the planet (which they are decidely NOT) while cruising down the local boulevarde in search of a vegan-only restaurant.
Existing batteries do have some worthwhile uses…in mobility scooters for the elderly, and vibrators for the frustrated.
Kerosene powered large military drones rock. Just add windows and seats and "shut up and take my money!"
Future drones will only need to avoid seagulls, and the very rare remaining airborne pilot having a brain fart. My toy drone is already as smart as my kelpie. Follows me, gets up close to trees without hitting them, comes home every time, and when it's low on energy settles gently to the ground. The kelpie barks to come inside during thunderstorms. Advanced drones could be programmed to have a similar aversion to such events. So the only thing not to like about 'toy' drones is the fact that battery technology is not yet fit for extended airborne use.
Not that I would buy a battery powered car until they build one that can go as far between fuel stops as my ute (1000km) and be refilled in five minutes, with little or no waiting at the bowser. I can hardly wait for the line-up of 100 charging points for EVs in every town or at every roadhouse - in some places the lights will surely go out. That alone makes diesel vehicles in this country safe from the scrap heap for at least another 15 years. But I concede that battery technology for vehicles will rapidly improve to eventually rival diesel vehicle range, if not rapid refuel capability. It won't happen so fast in an aviation context - the idea of a battery powered medium range or long range viable transport aircraft will remain a fantasy for a very, very long time.
EVs are currently ideal for latte' sipping city types who want to feel all fuzzy about saving the planet (which they are decidely NOT) while cruising down the local boulevarde in search of a vegan-only restaurant.
Existing batteries do have some worthwhile uses…in mobility scooters for the elderly, and vibrators for the frustrated.
Kerosene powered large military drones rock. Just add windows and seats and "shut up and take my money!"
f you drive a Tesla and have an accident, you should know that Tesla has a much more effective “black box” than ANY modern aircraft.
Tesla, on legitimate request by police, will produce for them about a three hundred page .pdf detailing exactly what you were doing before the accident. Please note, Tesla has cameras inside the vehicle as well as outside and complete videos of your behaviour will be available to police as well as all the sensor data, speeds, accelerations, control inputs, etc. and driving history for a considerable time.
So don’t go saying “the car did it by itself”, you will then be charged with perjury in addition to other offences.
Tesla, on legitimate request by police, will produce for them about a three hundred page .pdf detailing exactly what you were doing before the accident. Please note, Tesla has cameras inside the vehicle as well as outside and complete videos of your behaviour will be available to police as well as all the sensor data, speeds, accelerations, control inputs, etc. and driving history for a considerable time.
So don’t go saying “the car did it by itself”, you will then be charged with perjury in addition to other offences.
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f you drive a Tesla and have an accident, you should know that Tesla has a much more effective “black box” than ANY modern aircraft.
Tesla, on legitimate request by police, will produce for them about a three hundred page .pdf detailing exactly what you were doing before the accident. Please note, Tesla has cameras inside the vehicle as well as outside and complete videos of your behaviour will be available to police as well as all the sensor data, speeds, accelerations, control inputs, etc. and driving history for a considerable time.
So don’t go saying “the car did it by itself”, you will then be charged with perjury in addition to other offences.
Tesla, on legitimate request by police, will produce for them about a three hundred page .pdf detailing exactly what you were doing before the accident. Please note, Tesla has cameras inside the vehicle as well as outside and complete videos of your behaviour will be available to police as well as all the sensor data, speeds, accelerations, control inputs, etc. and driving history for a considerable time.
So don’t go saying “the car did it by itself”, you will then be charged with perjury in addition to other offences.
The bloody Tesla cameras are a worry. Can they be disabled if you want a quickie on the back seat? Can concerned fathers remotely monitor their kids' activities when they borrow the car for a carnal night out? The kids are going to do it anyway, so safer for them in a locked car than out in the bush somewhere. Big Brother indeed...
As if the above were not reason to avoid Teslas and cars of similar technology, that very smart British actor, elecronics engineer graduate and car buff, Rowan Atkinson, recently wrote an article for the 'Telegraph' (behind a paywall) about how he feels 'duped' into being an early EV buyer. His engineering background biased him into embracing the technology, and UK government stated timelines to outlaw ICE vehicle production sealed the deal. He doesn't specifically name Tesla, but given the time frame, that is what he probably bought. Now he has had an epiphany.
He says that, as the current generation of battery powered vehicles rapidly become obsolete in favour of hydrogen and synthetic fueled, we will have quite an environmental problem scrapping vehicles that government policies are currently steering us towards.
Meantime, elsewhere I note Tesla are #3 in car sales in Australia. Admittedly the claim was made on Sky TV which is often wrong and about as biased one way as the ABC is in the other direction (and often equally as wrong). I do hope that sales figure is wrong, because if true, it is a sad reflection on the intelligence and financial acumen of a whole swathe of car buyers.
Last edited by Mach E Avelli; 12th Jun 2023 at 03:05. Reason: why you need to keep your old banger for another 10 years to do your bit saving the planet and the kids' inheritance
f you drive a Tesla and have an accident, you should know that Tesla has a much more effective “black box” than ANY modern aircraft.
Tesla, on legitimate request by police, will produce for them about a three hundred page .pdf detailing exactly what you were doing before the accident. Please note, Tesla has cameras inside the vehicle as well as outside and complete videos of your behaviour will be available to police as well as all the sensor data, speeds, accelerations, control inputs, etc. and driving history for a considerable time.
So don’t go saying “the car did it by itself”, you will then be charged with perjury in addition to other offences.
Tesla, on legitimate request by police, will produce for them about a three hundred page .pdf detailing exactly what you were doing before the accident. Please note, Tesla has cameras inside the vehicle as well as outside and complete videos of your behaviour will be available to police as well as all the sensor data, speeds, accelerations, control inputs, etc. and driving history for a considerable time.
So don’t go saying “the car did it by itself”, you will then be charged with perjury in addition to other offences.
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Given the horrendous and unnecessary suffering caused by RTAs, it isn’t entirely a bad thing that police investigators are able to piece together exactly what happened using advances in data monitoring and collection. That is exactly what aircraft ‘black boxes’ are used for. I have no qualms about them finding out what some idiots on the road get up to.
And maybe like a CVR, if there has been no incident, past records should automatically erase after a set period, say 24-48 hours. There is a fine line between privacy and what the authorites should be allowed to access.
The fact that I went 10 kph over the limit five times last month - usually while overtaking - is poor evidence that I am any more a dangerous driver than the other X% who routinely do the same thing..
Especially after they’ve been involved in an accident.
How do you argue against 'paramount' privacy? Allow cameras to record your every move, like shooting up while having a ****, prior to getting in the car? Like having a bottle of wine with your dinner?
If I had my way, being addicted to - or under the influence of - booze or drugs would be inadmissable as a defence for any action causing harm to property or people, whether or not done in a vehicle.
In my perfect world jail with rehab would be mandatory for all offenders, as would crushing the vehicle, if owned by the offender.
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Important to remember that Tesla's automation isn't just dependent on one central computer and there are plenty of hard-coded failsafes - the motors will refuse to execute a sudden maximum acceleration commanded by the computer (which is one of the most common claims from inattentive Tesla drivers hitting the accelerator instead of the brakes!
There's definitely lots of work to be done. Still, the computer vision system is honestly outstanding, particularly with regard to distance measurement and building a 3D map from a set of 2D pictures. While exciting there will always be the need for further regulatory oversight, but do treat most of the stories about Tesla with caution - many of them are heavily promoted by groups such as TSLAQ and often don't tell the whole story. Far easier to blame automation than yourself...
Self-driving is a tough problem to solve and I'm not sure Tesla's FSD beta program is the best way to go about it, but it's good that they're pioneering.
There's definitely lots of work to be done. Still, the computer vision system is honestly outstanding, particularly with regard to distance measurement and building a 3D map from a set of 2D pictures. While exciting there will always be the need for further regulatory oversight, but do treat most of the stories about Tesla with caution - many of them are heavily promoted by groups such as TSLAQ and often don't tell the whole story. Far easier to blame automation than yourself...
Self-driving is a tough problem to solve and I'm not sure Tesla's FSD beta program is the best way to go about it, but it's good that they're pioneering.
Someone drove a Nissan Leaf into me. A non automated electric car. She told me "It just shot off all by itself". She managed to drive into parked vehicles in marked parking bays on both sides of the road, and I was lucky enough to have an independent third party witness. It stlll took six months of argument to get her insurance company to pay up.
Of course had there been any substance in her claim she would have had a case against Nissan. But even modest electric cars accelerate very quickly and it was this that caught her out.
Human stupidity will trump any other form of intelligence.
Of course had there been any substance in her claim she would have had a case against Nissan. But even modest electric cars accelerate very quickly and it was this that caught her out.
Human stupidity will trump any other form of intelligence.
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