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Old 8th Dec 2021, 02:17
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The Death of Streamer-cutting and Flour-Bombing.

With the new rules now in place, Articles of food are no longer permitted to be dropped form aircraft. Does this mean we have seen the death of streamer cutting and flour bombing in these new regulations? If so that is a bleak end to a tradition of Aviation and a true travesty.

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Just drop two flour bombs or streamers at once, then you have dropped 'things' and not 'a thing' and the rule no longer applies.
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I know you're being tongue-in-cheek, 43, but we must be careful...
23 Rules as to gender and number

In any Act:

(a) words importing a gender include every other gender; and

(b) words in the singular number include the plural and words in the plural number include the singular.
"Act" there includes instruments made under an Act (like CASRs made under the CAA Act). Also, since 2011, headings to provisions form part of the legislation.
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Place the object out the window during >-1 G manoeuvre, therefore you didn’t “drop” anything.
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What if I 'throw' something or mayhaps 'Launch' it from the aircraft? I suppose I could also 'eject' a thing or go full excuse and say you intended the item to 'enter orbit' but gravitational forces intervened and altered its trajectory. What if I interpreted that 'a thing' was a member of the Adams family and the rule only applied to dropping disembodied hands.

In any case I'm sure you could apply for dispensation to enable dropping things for events with proven history and include that in club manuals with of course several pages of what not to do and how 'a thing' must be contained, carried and dropped safely.
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Doncha just 'lurve' the ref. 91.195 ' Picking Up Or Setting Down People Or Things During Flight'....

'Picking Up' - Hang on Billy, just strap this harness on and hold the BIG LOOP UP, I'll catch it with me hook.....then....YOU HANG ON!

'Setting Down' - Here, just you put this 'chute on, open the door, and lean forward...more....MORE....

OR...Am I completely misreading this?

Does this preclude dropping 'supplies' to stranded tourists / farmers etc stranded by floods etc.??
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Does this preclude dropping 'supplies' to stranded tourists stranded by floods etc.??
An SMS paper would have to be written, forwarded to CASA head office by registered mail for each and every circumstance, once approval is received you may then embark on the drop while observing each and every rule that CASA has deemed necessary. Evidence of having completed a low level flying course would be mandatory. It's all in the interests of safety you understand.
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An SMS paper would have to be written, forwarded to CASA head office by registered mail for each and every circumstance, once approval is received you may then embark on the drop while observing each and every rule that CASA has deemed necessary. Evidence of having completed a low level flying course would be mandatory. It's all in the interests of safety you understand.
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They don’t stop trying to remove our fun do they. And now because I’ve never dropped the flower bomb, I’m never going to be able to drop one. Dammit.
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What about spreading ashes of a fellow aviator at the request of the deceased/family ?

Would he/her's ashes be a "thing" or would it be a parachutist without a parachute.

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Well if you can’t spread ashes, how can an airliner dump fuel?
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Who dreams up this stuff ?
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An SMS paper would have to be written, forwarded to CASA head office by registered mail for each and every circumstance, once approval is received you may then embark on the drop while observing each and every rule that CASA has deemed necessary. Evidence of having completed a low level flying course would be mandatory. It's all in the interests of safety you understand.
I think by the time any application is processed the target has either starved to death or survived the ordeal with no intervention.

I do think many a 'mercy' flight might have to be declared and then assessed post op.

As per Shells lead fouling article after the lead is ejected via the exhaust and cooled, it re-solidifies. Therefore every time you depart in powered flight using AvGas you are dropping lead everywhere you go... CASA must now fine every AvGas powered aircraft that flies as it's dropping exhaust particles without approval. Or will CASA not consider lead as 'a thing' or possibly that lead in solid form will remain airborne and not drop.
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I am just VERY GLAD that I don't have to put up with this 'C#AP' A N Y M O R E.....!!!

NO Cheerrss.....

p.s. I wonder just what a 'thing' is / could be.......

I had a 'thing' once, but Penicillin fixed it..........
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We've had almost identical rules in place in UK for many years. As stated, the way around them is to apply to the authority for a permission. It will cost you, of course....

Same thing to land a helicopter in a congested area. Dealt with by the same department as the one that grants permission for a full flying display so as well as the cost, they state that it might take up to 42 days to get it!

But of course the aircraft owner wants to land there TOMORROW and if he can't it's all the pilot's fault!

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Griffo admits

I had a 'thing' once, but Penicillin fixed it..........


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Flour bombing and streamer cutting were illegal pre Part 91. Just keep doing what you’ve been doing.
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Don't forget the recipients of the food and water drop would have had to sign a paper witnessed by two individuals they don't know saying they are willing to accept the risk of having said food and water dropped, possibly causing them fatal injuries if the pilot errs.
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How are the Chemtrail operators going to cope?

What gets dropped from aircraft normally?
  • emergency fuel dumping
  • emergency liferafts and provisions
  • stock feed
  • Ag aircraft sprays - insecticides & fertilizers
  • Pest control baits
  • forestry seeds & seedlings
  • occasional animal species re-introduction
  • Water & fire retardent bombing
  • cloud seeding
  • Banner towing pickup and drop off
  • Human remains - ash spreading
  • meat bombs/parachutists
  • flour bombs and streamers for recreational competition...

Does this regulation cover all of that, or does all of that have to have individual dispensations?
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I think a dispensation (permission in CAA terminology) would be needed, at least in UK and would form part of the AOC.
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