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CASA overriding DAME decisions

Old 11th Nov 2021, 03:28
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CASA overriding DAME decisions

The average age of private pilots, and in particular aircraft owners getting older in Australia. The archaic process of Avmed constantly overriding a DAMEs' opinion when issuing a Class 2 Medical is killing general aviation here. Something needs to be done as this will eventually affect every one of us, if not already. The fact that it's legal to drive a van load of kids down a road with a potential closing speed of 200+kph on a driver's license medical, yet potentially not fit to fly a couple of passengers over the GAFA is ridiculous.

There is a survey put together on Country Airstrips Australia looking to gain traction to present to CASA. Would be great to get a good, honest response to determine whether this needs reform.

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Old 11th Nov 2021, 11:20
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The whole GA system is broken, Medicals are just one part. Everything below 4 tons in day VMC by VFR should have rule sets as easy as driving a car. Add extra medical conditions if you intend to do aeros, fly in cloud or at night or something else subject to more effects on the body. This whole idea that a Warrior or 172 is somehow more dangerous than LSAs because of a weight that is less than the average car makes little sense. And yeah I can drive up to a 4 ton truck or even bus on a normal licence and do whatever I want. With little extra training be driving unlimited weight non articulated trucks and buses on just about any public road and, weight and DG limits aside.
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Old 13th Nov 2021, 10:14
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Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
The whole GA system is broken, Medicals are just one part. Everything below 4 tons in day VMC by VFR should have rule sets as easy as driving a car. Add extra medical conditions if you intend to do aeros, fly in cloud or at night or something else subject to more effects on the body. This whole idea that a Warrior or 172 is somehow more dangerous than LSAs because of a weight that is less than the average car makes little sense. And yeah I can drive up to a 4 ton truck or even bus on a normal licence and do whatever I want. With little extra training be driving unlimited weight non articulated trucks and buses on just about any public road and, weight and DG limits aside.
Thats what we have in the UK. PMD, Pilot Medical Declaration.
Basically if you hold a driving licence you self declare the fact to the CAA. E Mail the application, and are then approved to fly PPL only.. Restricted to UK flight only, max 2000kgs, 4 seats, day/VFR only.
No requirement to even to see your GP if you have the said valid driving licence. And it's free!!

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Old 13th Nov 2021, 11:37
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2000kg would be a good start, although I see no reason to exclude light twins from this. Up to 3 or 4 tons would be perfectly acceptable and stuff in that range will be heavily restricted by insurance requirements and affordability anyway. Limit to 4 POB fair enough, but not a seat limit, that just makes pilots squeeze as much as they can into a 4 seater instead of using a 6 or 8 well within its limits, increasing the dangers. Touring the country with the wife and kids in a Baron or Seneca day VFR, would be way safer on a lot of levels than trying to squeeze everything into an Archer or Cirrus. Most of these rules clearly show they are written by those with little understanding of aviation and it's actual risks.
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Old 13th Nov 2021, 11:52
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2000kg would be a good start, although I see no reason to exclude light twins from this. Up to 3 or 4 tons would be perfectly acceptable and stuff in that range will be heavily restricted by insurance requirements and affordability anyway. Limit to 4 POB fair enough, but not a seat limit, that just makes pilots squeeze as much as they can into a 4 seater instead of using a 6 or 8 well within its limits, increasing the dangers. Touring the country with the wife and kids in a Baron or Seneca day VFR, would be way safer on a lot of levels than trying to squeeze everything into an Archer or Cirrus. Most of these rules clearly show they are written by those with little understanding of aviation and it's actual risks.

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Your last sentence sums up the UK CAA quite well!!
Although the advent of our PMD has got a lot of people back in the air who wouldn't pass the aviation medical with an AME.
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Old 13th Nov 2021, 22:45
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CASA AVMED is staffed by Gods, not mere mortals like us. How dare we question the edicts of a God!
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