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Old 30th Jul 2021, 03:46
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This is about humanity. Some people have the unfortunate luck of being VERY ILL. Next time you’re in hospital you’ll find out how many very sick people there are. Having had a brush with melanoma and hearing of the regular horrendous road trips people were undertaking for treatment, I am appalled at the inability of some to make
what is possibly end of life treatment just that little bit more comfortable. Do you have no sympathy?
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 07:44
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This is about humanity. Some people have the unfortunate luck of being VERY ILL. Next time you’re in hospital you’ll find out how many very sick people there are. Having had a brush with melanoma and hearing of the regular horrendous road trips people were undertaking for treatment, I am appalled at the inability of some to make
what is possibly end of life treatment just that little bit more comfortable. Do you have no sympathy?
No it's about safety and standardisation. Calling yourself "Angel Flight" has no official bearing on anything and is non-standard. If you want a real call sign then you need to apply for one so everyone knows who you are. The last thing we need is some cock-up on the radio with call sign confusion. Murphy's law is very real in aviation and we don't need to make it any more difficult than it is. I can see it now with a Military Aircraft "angel" call sign getting mixed up with a PPL "angel flight" callsign and someone busts a cleared level or something similar.

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Old 30th Jul 2021, 08:45
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I can see it now with a Military Aircraft "angel" call sign getting mixed up with a PPL "angel flight" callsign and someone busts a cleared level or something similar.
Jeez, we are clutching at straws now!
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 09:13
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I dunno..When the RV was registered with RAAus, the number of times Center responded to my calls as "Army 85-19" instead of "RV 85-19" were too many to count. I could see what'd happen eventually and ended up simply using "Romeo 85-19" as that's what they'd see from my ADS-B squawk.
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 09:15
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Angel Flight Cessna 172 Echo Oscar Tango.

Pretty harmless and not likely to confuse the good folk at East Sale or elsewhere.

That aside, if this is not an “agreement” between AF and ASA it’s a moot point really.
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 10:41
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Jeez there are some miserable pilots around.

Machtuk "This crowd qualifies for nothing"
The Banjo: "If priority is required passenger is on the wrong aircraft"
Neville Nobody: "Its about safety' (!)

I'm new to the world of Angel Flight but what a brilliant service it provides. I've transported a little kid to Melbourne in 75 minutes (versus a 7:45 drive) and seen them whisked straight to hospital by a volunteer Angel Flight driver, into treatment and then back home the same day. Impossible by car and every assistance ATC provided was fantastic for the kid and the worried mum.

ATC have always been great. East Sale not always as helpful so potentially the Angel Flight prefix may be of some benefit - particularly with WX diversions. Kids coming from chemo treatment don't seem to like the turbulence much.

If you're so mean-spirited/fragile-egoed as to be offended that some apparently undeserving outfit may get a modicum of advantage then you're a thoroughly sad individual.

PS: Angel Flight in the USA have always prefixed their callsigns as above. But we in Australia need to knock down anybody who is perceived to get some benefit at every opportunity.
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 11:42
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Originally Posted by The Banjo View Post
You need to be strictly licenced, equipped and regulated to drive a dead body from an accident site to a mortuary or to transfer one from an autopsy in Sydney back to a country town for burial. I see no reason why this service with live clientele should not be properly regulated. Perhaps fancy callsigns are more to do with ego and self importance than the task at hand.
Banjo couldn't agree more with your posts-)
giving this mob priority in their operations would be minuscule in the scheme of things!
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Old 31st Jul 2021, 02:13
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East Sale not always as helpful
As a local always found them offering a good service, however that was before they moved their Tamworth operations to Sale which may have had an effect. Because they also train controllers there may also impinge, I don't know.

Keep up the good work AEV and don't let the miserable sods here get to you.
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Old 31st Jul 2021, 03:30
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[QUOTE=megan;11087441]Because they also train controllers there may also impinge, I don't know.

Quick off topic to stomp on a potential for it t go way OT with some of the regulars here.

Back in my student days and during my first tour as an ATC Instructor there were students training in the live ATC environment. That was more than 45 years ago and ceased with the commissioning and use of the first dynamic visual tower simulator (AUSTOWER) in the early 1990's.

Back to Angel Flight callsigns.
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Old 31st Jul 2021, 05:28
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Hats off to the people donating to Angel Flight. Don't worry about the knockers. They are the minority. There are pilots around who will be critical of everyone else so forget them but if you happen to save a few minutes traveling for someone in discomfort, well done.
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Old 31st Jul 2021, 12:44
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Originally Posted by Clearedtoreenter View Post
ATC already know who they are and where they are going without the call sign
If by "ATC" you're meaning line controllers who actually control your flights then we have no idea aside from what's in the flight plan.
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Old 31st Jul 2021, 13:11
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I wonder if some of the previous posters have actually read properly the OP, where it says quite clearly that

The latest advice from Angel Flight is a request:

"We are writing to ask that on all future flights in and out of control space, we would appreciate you prefacing your call sign with ‘Angel Flight’, when first contacting ATC..."
Please note the first sentence!

If anyone has a complaint/objection about this, then I suggest that you take it up with Angel Flight themselves, and not criticise/abuse fellow ppruners!
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Old 1st Aug 2021, 12:37
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If anyone has a complaint/objection about this, then I suggest that you take it up with Angel Flight themselves, and not criticise/abuse fellow ppruners!
How about Angel Flight just do it properly and apply to AirServices to use the call sign? It's just a form you send to ASA. They could then allocate each pilot a number. Easy.
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Old 1st Aug 2021, 12:50
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
How about Angel Flight just do it properly and apply to AirServices to use the call sign? It's just a form you send to ASA. They could then allocate each pilot a number. Easy.
Maybe they already have!
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Old 2nd Aug 2021, 04:16
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post
That is one simplistic way to explain what services they provide.
There are some in society with humanity that may go that little extra yard for those less fortunate and some that wont. I will take Squawk7700's world thank you
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Old 2nd Aug 2021, 12:25
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There are some in society with humanity that may go that little extra yard for those less fortunate and some that wont. I will take Squawk7700's world thank you
Wholeheartedly agree.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 09:44
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Originally Posted by Pinky the pilot View Post
Please note the first sentence!

If anyone has a complaint/objection about this, then I suggest that you take it up with Angel Flight themselves, and not criticise/abuse fellow ppruners!
Just like Pinky said. Take it up with Angel Flight. The OP was just raising a question based on the email that was sent to all of the volunteers.



"We are writing to ask that on all future flights in and out of control space, we would appreciate you prefacing your call sign with ‘Angel Flight’, when first contacting ATC (inbound or outbound, eg Centre, Approach, Tower/Ground, Tower, Centre etc) . It will be necessary in these circumstances to annotate the remarkss section of your flight plan with ‘Angel Flight CSF’.

We did have this policy in the past, but due to some considerations prevalent at the time, decided to discontinue its use. We have had some discussions with senior officers of ATS and there is no apparent or obvious contraindication to our resumption. Of course, it will not (and nor do we expect it to) give our flights any priority. However, it may assist ATS officers in understanding why we make certain clearance or other requests, for example, asking for non-standard routes over rough terrain or large bodies of water, particularly when IFR flights may be expected to plan via standard published routes, which are not necessarily conducive to flight safety in the event of engine failure, or where weather and/or turbulence indicates safer routes are available."

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Old 4th Aug 2021, 13:57
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...it may assist ATS officers in understanding why we make certain clearance or other requests, for example, asking for non-standard routes over rough terrain or large bodies of water, particularly when IFR flights may be expected to plan via standard published routes, which are not necessarily conducive to flight safety in the event of engine failure, or where weather and/or turbulence indicates safer routes are available.
I would have thought anyone asking for special clearances or requests for the above reasons would have received some understanding.
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 16:48
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Why so negative about Angel Flight? The FAA thinks it is important enough to sponsor a seminar:
Description:
As pilots, we have the freedom to fly anywhere, fly safely with others, and also give back to the community. Through programs such as Angel Flight, pilots are able to use their abilities to help those most in need.

San Carlos Flight Center invites Director of Outreach Ivan Martinez, and Safety Officer/pilot Rich Pickett to provide an overview of the Angel Flight program. In this seminar, they will provide an insight into this charitable organization, how to get involved, how they work with pilots to keep everyone safe, and the various mission profiles their participating pilots fly. Often the various mission profiles are challenging, and many passengers onboard require special attention. It is crucial that pilots understand how to safely and effectively manage their passengers and aircraft and while providing the most comfortable experience for patients in need.

Angel Flight has helped thousands of patients get safely to their appointments/destinations, and that would not be possible without you, the pilot. If you have ever wanted to learn more about this organization, how you can effectively manage passengers, and give back to the community, join us for this seminar.

To view further details and registration information for this webinar, click here:
http://www.faasafety.gov/SPANS/event...spx?eid=106354

The sponsor for this seminar is:
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