Oakey Aerodrome Airspace

[megan]

Airservices and the ADF simply do not have the authority to publish something on a chart that is different from the authority granted by CASA

I don't understand what point you are trying to make, CASA is the authority for delegation of airspace under the act and defense would obviously have input as as to their requirements. Where exactly have Airservices published something that is not in accordance with the authority granted to CASA? More importantly, how do you know Airservices have transgressed CASA authority.
http://classic.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bi...t/aa200785.rtf

[Geoff Fairless]

Megan - That was intended to be a general statement in regard to the responsibilities of the two agencies that receive airspace authority from CASA OAR, the ADF, and Airservices.
Let me be very clear - I am not accusing Airservices of "transgressing CASA authority". To the best of my knowledge, they have never done so.

I am simply highlighting that, as far as I can see, in the document you attach, or the subsequent regulations, there is no mention of a Military Control Zone, or a Control Zone within which the operator has the authority to have different levels of service. Perhaps it is too fine a point, but that can be done in an R Area such as the ones surrounding Nowra.
This post is intended to be a polite conversation about airspace and it's use in Australia. I admit that I am passionate about the subject, but if I am wrong, I will be the first to admit it.
If you disagree, please explain why.

[Piston_Broke]

Your first post with your submission doesn't strike me as polite conversation.

Barbs and insults directed at the local RAAF SATC who clearly has been directed to submit the airspace change proposal, and has no influence or control over Defence activities or policy.

[megan]

I am not accusing Airservices of "transgressing CASA authority"

My interpretation of the following is yes you have.

Airservices and the ADF simply do not have the authority to publish something on a chart that is different from the authority granted by CASA

The military operate to completely different standards to civil, when was the last time civil aircraft were permitted to fly formation at night in IMC, better still night IMC at 500' AGL, instrument approach in a control zone with out talking to the controller, communicating merely by a series of clicks on the radio. In the latter case if you were in the area on freq you would have no idea what was going on, nor understand what a particular series of clicks meant. Reread Piston_Broke's post, the military submit their their requirements to CASA, and once CASA gives its imprimatur it will then appear on a chart.