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Citation owner of VH-MYE in court today 18th August

Old 1st Sep 2020, 00:57
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Interesting to read that Norbury considers himself to be a 'competent' pilot.
If I was the judge I would be calling for Norbury's training records from Flight Safety
I find it hard to imagine a pilot with such limited experience qualified for a C525(S) single pilot type rating from Flight Safety, if indeed he did.
I know by observation that 'Chop' at Aus Jet flew with him regulary as a safety pilot
I know from conversations with Norbury at the time, that he had very poor understanding of the FMS, he never flew often enough to come to grips with FMS based flight especially in approach mode.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 01:00
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Was there an Incident Report for this 15 hair-raising minute event? I couldn't find anything on the ATSB site.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 01:05
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That's half the issue; wild claims, there should be Incident reports, Engineering reports, ATSB should have been all over this.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 03:29
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Nearly died
2,000 feet per second
plummeting toward the ground
passengers thrown out of seat
extraordinary and life-threatening event
able to wrest control of the aeroplane

Only thing missing is the school and hospital that he managed by vast skill to avoid. Never knew the automatics could be so aggressive (thrown out of seat - perhaps too many flutes of Boll) , certainly not in what I flew.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 03:56
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Sounds like the defence lawyers have consulted CASA and ATSB on best way to tackle this. It's all the pilot's fault..! Pilot Error..! I'm sure more facts will come to light as the case goes on, but why should the pilot have been 'hand flying the aircraft, not leaving it to the autopilot'..? What's the point of having an autopilot if you can't use it (or trust it). Wouldn't be the 1st time an autopilot went 'haywire' or are they suggesting he mishandled the recovery..? Something doesn't add up (yet)...
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 04:58
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Article from The Age:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...31-p55r1o.html

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Old 1st Sep 2020, 06:23
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Originally Posted by IFEZ View Post
Sounds like the defence lawyers have consulted CASA and ATSB on best way to tackle this. It's all the pilot's fault..! Pilot Error..! I'm sure more facts will come to light as the case goes on, but why should the pilot have been 'hand flying the aircraft, not leaving it to the autopilot'..? What's the point of having an autopilot if you can't use it (or trust it). Wouldn't be the 1st time an autopilot went 'haywire' or are they suggesting he mishandled the recovery..? Something doesn't add up (yet)...
More appropriate to rephrase your question. What’s the point in having a human pilot if you expect the autopilot to be flawless 100% of the time?

The AP is merely an aid, which is why both of you can’t leave the cockpit to go back and take a pee at the same time.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 07:11
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Come on guys this crap is more entertaining than his wife on that ridiculous show, -) Let the game continue, I need a good laugh!
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 08:50
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Never flown one of these, but by all accounts, it's a benign, stable platform that most 'competent and properly trained' pilots should be able to manage.
Struth, even R. Smith flew the sister-ships of this one for years on his own.

He got scared and has not flown the aircraft since. Fair enough.
Sell it and move on.

I don't see why he is taking on Textron and Rockwell-Collins, so many years building a non-existent case, to end up proving he is either incompetent, poorly trained or both.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 10:55
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It sounds like his pals and business associates will no longer fly with him and his "competent" skills until he can blame it all on the plane.

That's the real tragedy.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 13:54
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2000 feet per second, holy cow! How was that figure ever established?, does it have a FDR?
It's a multitude of wealthy wannabes like this that gave the MU2 a very nasty and undeserved reputation it could never shake.
Unbelievable this ever got to court.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 21:38
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Cessna would only grant him a second class rating I believe, even though he’d purchased an aircraft from them.
He had to have a ‘safety’ pilot fly with him for ages in the Kingair and later the Citation even after somehow getting a command rating in Australia.
Make of that what you will!
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 22:38
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Flight Safety (Wichita) do not hand out type ratings. I have personally seen the shock and disbelief on pilot's faces when they fail Command training after having bought a new aircraft.
Mind you, you can often pick those whom are heading for problems by their classroom attitude.
In the case of Norbury, the Judge should get Andrew former CP at AusJet into the stand.
CASA still need to start enquiries into why this potentially dangerous situation was not reported. I think it never happened.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 23:45
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Without having any information, what about wake turbulence or CB penetration?
What was in maintenance logs?
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 00:42
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Smile

Now I wonder who talked the guy into buying the jet in the first place?.....hmmmm I wonder!
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 02:34
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Bet I can guess !
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 07:14
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You guys have all blamed the pilot before the ATSB have had a chance to :-)
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 07:33
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The case is all over - a secret deal has been reached.

Case closed. (Melbourne Herald Sun - 02 Sept 2020)
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 12:17
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Originally Posted by Office Update View Post
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The case is all over - a secret deal has been reached.

Case closed. (Melbourne Herald Sun - 02 Sept 2020)
OK then, just going to wait for the book to be published I guess
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 13:04
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If I sued the manufacturer every time an autopilot played up ... man Iím going to need a lot of court dates
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