Low cost ADS-B for VFR

[MarcK]

A reminder for all those who think "See and Avoid" is sufficient in VFR conditions: Planes collided over Coeur d'Alene Lake

[Lead Balloon]

A reminder for all those who think ADSB and other gizmos are the solution: Accident Near Mangalore Airport - Possibly 2 Aircraft down

[MarcK]

Originally Posted by Lead Balloon

A reminder for all those who think ADSB and other gizmos are the solution: Accident Near Mangalore Airport - Possibly 2 Aircraft down

Did both of those planes have ADSB-OUT? Did either of those planes have ADSB-IN? If one, at least, had IN capability, something would have been screaming "Traffic" in their ear.

[Lead Balloon]

They both had the ADSB equipment that has been mandated by the ‘safety’ regulator on ‘safety’ grounds.

[Squawk7700]

Originally Posted by MarcK

Did both of those planes have ADSB-OUT? Did either of those planes have ADSB-IN? If one, at least, had IN capability, something would have been screaming "Traffic" in their ear.

+1

I guarantee if I had been flying there with my low cost ADSB-IN solution, I would have been able to see both of them, assuming their ADSB operational, and it wouldn’t have been via Melbourne Centre or Flight Radar 24 - it would have been by a direct ADSB-IN link.

I noticed in a video that Stefan Drury was using Flight Radar 24 to locate a nearby company aircraft. The issue with this is:

- You need a valid 4G plan
- You need a solid 4G signal
- You don’t know if it’s real time or not

A Sky Echo or similar IN solution is by far the best option. I even note that the Sky Echo also receives FLARM traffic.

Originally Posted by Lead Balloon

They both had the ADSB equipment that has been mandated by the ‘safety’ regulator on ‘safety’ grounds.

Airbags and seatbelts are mandatory, but people still buy Suzuki Swifts when the Dodge RAM is available for purchase. In which one are you most likely to be killed or seriously injured?

[rjtjrt]

Originally Posted by Squawk7700

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A Sky Echo or similar IN solution is by far the best option. I even note that the Sky Echo also receives FLARM traffic.

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I read that the uAvionics Sky Echo had European FLARM, not the Aust FLARM which from memory, Aust FLARM, is a different frequency!!!!

still the Sky Echo seems a very good solution.

[KRviator]

Originally Posted by Squawk7700

I guarantee if I had been flying there with my low cost ADSB-IN solution, I would have been able to see both of them, assuming their ADSB operational, and it wouldn’t have been via Melbourne Centre or Flight Radar 24 - it would have been by a direct ADSB-IN link.

Just curious, what kind of ADS-B in do you have? I've considered the Dynon SV-ADSB-470 for my SkyView installation but IMHO there are insufficient ADS-B Out-equipped aircraft to justify the cost at present for the areas and flying I do.

[Squawk7700]

Originally Posted by KRviator

Just curious, what kind of ADS-B in do you have? I've considered the Dynon SV-ADSB-470 for my SkyView installation but IMHO there are insufficient ADS-B Out-equipped aircraft to justify the cost at present for the areas and flying I do.

I run a Stratus box (US$250) feeding into AvPlan and OZRunways. Around Melbourne most of the large flying schools are running ADSB-out and it appears that many private operators also are. I’m the only one left in my private hangar of four that doesn’t have ADSB-out for example. With the SkyEcho and similar boxes approved, it can only help with the uptake.