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Instructor rating to Cert IV training and assessment

Old 3rd Jun 2020, 05:40
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Instructor rating to Cert IV training and assessment

Hey guys,

Does anyone know/has tried to get recognition of prior learning using a Instructor Rating to get a Cert 4 in training and assessment? Or even to have the study time shortened?

Just assessing options like everyone else.

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Old 3rd Jun 2020, 06:20
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I had the option of doing exactly that in 2015 when I did my Cert IV (I had an RAAus senior instructor rating and around 900 hours experience), and found it wasn't really worth it. With that said, I understand the current course is vastly different to the course I did. I reckon it would be worth looking into today and see how you go.
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Old 4th Jun 2020, 21:05
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<wondering aloud> I have a Graduate Certificate in Adult Education & Training from New England University from when I worked at BAe Tamworth. I wonder if that would bypass the Cert IV thing?

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Old 6th Jun 2020, 23:07
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The very title of this thread implies a misunderstanding of what the Cert IV is.
The certificate IV was introduced as a means to provide a qualification for those organisations who conduct their own internal training and assessment by those personnel who have no experience or qualification in teaching and or assessment. It was never intended and does not supersede an Instructor Rating or Teaching Degree.
In the airline Industry you may see them as Training Captains, Check Captains, 20.11 Instructors, Flight Attendant Trainers and Assessors, minor engineering functions, load control and delegates of an authority in some shape or form. In the aviation Industry there is no substitute for a Grade One Instructor.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 02:05
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In the aviation Industry there is no substitute for a Grade One Instructor.

The current situation exists where arguably hundreds of experienced airline pilots with multi-thousands of hours, some with CASA approved check pilot qualifications, are out of work. As far as CASA is concerned their "prior learning" experience, including instructor time both in the air and simulator, is considered worthless. If they decide to become a flying instructor they start as a junior grade 3 but only after forking out a fortune for the rating. It has always been thus, so nothing new.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 08:09
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Cheers for the replies.

For some context:

I hold an (expired) instructor rating - pre part 61. As Iím sure many others do.

Iím stood down, like many others, and was looking at other employment some of which required a cert 4 in T&A. These course (at least from more reputable providers - like uniís) seem to take up to a year. I was wondering if the instructor rating could/would count towards some of the course to expedite it a bit, and if anyone has tried it?

It seems like every job these days requires a cert 2 or cert something. Working at Maccas requires a cert 2 in food handling...

thanks again

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Old 7th Jun 2020, 14:12
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Johnny56 I understand where you're coming from with respect to the Cert IV, it's a consequence of organisations not understanding what it is and when it's desirable to have, so put it in our application wish list and see what we get.

This all came about from our legal system and the argument of accountability, how can one be accountable if you were never trained and certified competent to perform that task by a person qualified to make that assessment. All the critical things we do require a licence, vehicles, electricity, gas, essentially anything that can hurt someone in untrained hands.
Then we come to those matters that are not all that critical but still require a high level of competence. That training and assessment needs to be conducted by a qualified person, where that competent person has no appropriate qualification at all, it would be necessary to hold at least a Cert IV in training and assessment in order to be deemed qualified to issue a certificate of competence.

In Aviation as it applies to all things Flight Crew Training, there is no higher qualification than a Grade One Flight Instructor.
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Old 8th Jun 2020, 00:13
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I did my Cert IV many years ago after it was identified as "soon" to be a requirement so some colleges had put the effort in to work out a deal for flight instructors with recognition of prior learning. I ended up doing about half the course which was useful. My Cert IV turned out to be useful for the flight school only to be able to name someone for the RTO side of things.

No such prearranged RPL these days so you'd have to put effort into the preparation then talk to the College. Good luck with that.
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