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Old 30th Mar 2020, 05:48
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CAE not social distancing

Many mum and dad flying schools have done the right thing and shut up shop. Why is this multi-national not following suit?
Profits before peoples lives. Nice one.

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Old 30th Mar 2020, 06:13
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Spektrum, there are many ways this could be done safely. This would be a perfect time to be getting Solo Hours for example. I could point out that quite simply put they aren't going against any of the directives set forth by the Government, social distancing says to keep 1.5m apart as much as possible for example or I could point out that wearing masks, disinfecting aircraft surfaces pre/post flight and liberal washing of hands would help mitigate a lot of risks along with monitoring students closely for fever using contactless thermometers.

But not much of this matters to everyone looking to jump on their high horse and decry all and sundry for not doing what they think is the right thing to do based on their own interpretation. I've seen Facebook groups with people looking to shame anyone who dares go on a walk with a friend or family, people who use public transport, infact, anyone who dares to set a single foot outside of their abode despite this NOT being the idea. There are "restricitions" in place, we are not in some kind of lock down.

So unless you have some very specific information about each and every one of these flights and how they're being performed I'd recommend pulling your head in and reserving your spare time for people actually doing stupid things like holding massive parties etc... or finding something more productive to do.
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 06:37
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Bravo Ixixly.

For what it's worth, CAE in Tamworth are using face masks and gloves as well as the other expected precautions.
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 07:00
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If you have anything to do with this organisation, this behaviour wonít surprise you.
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 07:40
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Originally Posted by spektrum View Post
Many mum and dad flying schools have done the right thing and shut up shop
Love how it's always mum and dad shops when the point needs to be run home.

My mum n dad used to skim the s*** out of their business. Just saying...
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 09:39
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Where is the evidence that CAE Oxford are doing the wrong thing here?
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 09:54
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I think the point that is being made is that the advice is - don’t go out unless essential. And arguing if flight training is essential.

Not getting involved - just think thats what the aim of the post might be.
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 09:55
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Whilst the Govt have put in place 4 reasons why you are allowed beyond yr property line (drugs, food med and excersuse) it's not illegal to move about freely it's just advise (at this stage), other than in to the area's closed. We 'should' stay home, that's not we must!
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 10:31
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Opening my overly heavy hangar doors would be considered exercise. Iím in the clear.
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 10:34
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Someone forgot to tell the RAAF :-)
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 10:44
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Quarantine sucks...
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 11:18
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Yet we are encouraged to continue to work.
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 11:48
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ROLR=RAAF On Long Runway?
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 12:18
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If CAE can do it then could we re-open our Flying School?

Masks, gloves - no probs.
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 12:29
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(a) My understanding is that CAE is taking a very rigorous approach throughout the organisation to the virus personal protection issue. Perhaps the OP ought to check his/her facts prior to launching an attack on any specific organisation ?

(b) Someone forgot to tell the RAAF :-) While noting the smiley, I think that the cockpit environment of the PC-21 is a world apart from that of the typical civil training aircraft so far as intracrew contamination issues might be concerned ...
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 12:53
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If CAE can do it then could we re-open our Flying School?
No, in the UK the Coronavirus Act makes it illegal.

The military are essential workers. The issue isnt just intracrew transmission. To operate a flying school you need to stop lockdown for maintenance, the fuel pathway, ATC and you have to get everyone mobile. All this negates lockdown and increases transmission. The more lax we are the more people will die, the longer we will be disrupted, and the more businesses will fail
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 12:59
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I feel bad for the students tbh, as if it wasn't hard enough to get a job before, there's virtually 0 chance of them getting one now.

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Old 30th Mar 2020, 14:41
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No, in the UK the Coronavirus Act makes it illegal.

The military are essential workers. The issue isnt just intracrew transmission. To operate a flying school you need to stop lockdown for maintenance, the fuel pathway, ATC and you have to get everyone mobile. All this negates lockdown and increases transmission. The more lax we are the more people will die, the longer we will be disrupted, and the more businesses will fail
Yes, but also no. There are many reasons we aren't just going completely into some kind of lock down and that as many businesses as possible that can be deemed low risk are being encouraged to keep going. a Flight School is education, education has NOT been told to shut down at all. The Classroom lessons can be done whilst observing social distancing with a little work, Maintenance can still go ahead as they're not often shoulder to shoulder and can keep a distance most of the time but there will need to be an acceptance that jobs will take a little longer to keep things safe. Fuelers don't need to come into contact at all and their adminside can likely be done remotely to keep them going and ATC for GA Towers aren't sitting in there shoulder to shoulder either, they're not closing down Airspace so they are still essential and no doubt adopting procedures.

Please people, don't fall into the panic trap that many are that they think the only way is to shut everything down. There are high risk and low risk activities, we're an industry that deals with Risk Management every single day so put those analytical skills to use before jumping on the "Shut it all down" bandwagon.
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 14:44
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I feel bad for the students tbh, as if it wasn't hard enough to get a job before, there's virtually 0 chance of them getting one now.
This will only slow them down, the industry will bounce back eventually and the training industry can adapt to current restrictions to keep people moving and progressing as much as possible in the mean time. it'll be tough no doubt but as someone who finished their training a month before the GFC hit I have a fairly good idea of what it's going to be like and feel positive that we'll recover, it'll just take some time.
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 14:58
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I have also seen L3 aircraft flying over the UK for the last few days.
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