Integrated vs Non Integrated CPL

[john_tullamarine]

it was certainly rife in the Hunter Valley in the late 80s/early 90s

Sad to hear that. I did my PPL at RNAC in the 60s (Stan Hone, Jack Blackwell, BJ, and their fine colleagues). Certainly not a case of junior newbies having much clout back then.

[Checkboard]

(as a pilot, not an instructor)

In what way are instructors not pilots?

There is always this suggestion that instructors are too much "by the book", that they have no sense of "commercial reality". This implies that they are too "careful and slow" in normal opertions and don't accept the "requirements of the real word". This I assume meaning: carrying defects without writing them up, flying overweight and ignoring flight & duty limits.

Then elswhere you will find posts about dodgy GA operators, paying nothing and "forcing" pilots to fly overweight, with defects and out of F&D limits....

[Flying Bear]

Originally Posted by Checkboard

In what way are instructors not pilots?

There is always this suggestion that instructors are too much "by the book", that they have no sense of "commercial reality". This implies that they are too "careful and slow" in normal opertions and don't accept the "requirements of the real word". This I assume meaning: carrying defects without writing them up, flying overweight and ignoring flight & duty limits.

Then elswhere you will find posts about dodgy GA operators, paying nothing and "forcing" pilots to fly overweight, with defects and out of F&D limits....

Checkboard, that’s not at all what I was inferring! I am a proud Flight Instructor and have built my career on developing pilots - and have a diversity of experience in doing so.

My point was not to differentiate between pilots and instructors being as you suggest - but to identify that the first job should be as just a pilot. Consolidate and concentrate on your new skill, before trying to teach it.

In the words of my mentor “How can one possibly hope to teach a skill that they have not yet themselves mastered...”

[havick]

Originally Posted by Flying Bear

Checkboard, that’s not at all what I was inferring! I am a proud Flight Instructor and have built my career on developing pilots - and have a diversity of experience in doing so.

My point was not to differentiate between pilots and instructors being as you suggest - but to identify that the first job should be as just a pilot. Consolidate and concentrate on your new skill, before trying to teach it.

In the words of my mentor “How can one possibly hope to teach a skill that they have not yet themselves mastered...”

I don’t disagree with your sentiment, but the reality shows that the blind leading the blind method does work as evidenced by just about every country pumping out pilots this way.

[The name is Porter]

but the reality shows that the blind leading the blind method does work as evidenced by just about every country pumping out pilots this way.

The results of the blind leading the blind are really starting to hit its straps at one 'school' in Moorabbin!