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East Coast Aviation Dead Zone?

Old 11th Sep 2019, 22:24
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East Coast Aviation Dead Zone?

Idly looking at Ozrunways trying to figure out a coastal route from say Melbourne to the Brisbane region. From Nowra to Brisbane the airspace seems out of the question for an unfamiliar PPL and impossible for RAA pilots and aircraft. In addition, you would need an ASIC, life jackets are required and I can’t see any friendly looking airfields anywhere - and it’s all tiger country in the event of engine failure. Is it just my imagination or do CASA, AsA, the RAAF and the general public hate little aircraft that much?
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Old 11th Sep 2019, 23:00
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Aww does controlled airspace scare your little Jabiru?
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Only a problem if you want to avoid flying over water. Victor1 and Willie coastal routes are very easy to Navigate, however.
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Old 11th Sep 2019, 23:37
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It is a heap easier than it looks Sunny. Nowra have always been obliging and helpful, Victor 1 is a must for every pilot and a super spectacular flight, you can avoid Willie and the airspace altogether by following the lane from Maitland and Evans Head is not that active. A great flight I have done many times.
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Old 12th Sep 2019, 00:50
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No you're spot on Sunfish, it is your imagination.
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Is that you Dick?
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Old 12th Sep 2019, 12:30
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Yeah - you'll need an ASIC, but any flying pilot needs one. And life jackets (easy rented), if you want to go coastal, because no one can swim for long in cold southern waters (assuming you don't have a spare engine!)
But the "coastal" route will be straight forward. Plenty of friendly and accessible airfields - Gippslands has a few, Lakes Entrance used to be fine. What wrong with Mallacoota? Merimbula and Muruya are great, right by the beach and easy into town.
There are VFR routes through Nowra, past Sydney (Victor 1), through Williamtown, etc - you'll have to talk to ATC, but you know how to do that, don't you?
Engage brain, check charts, revise radio procedures, and do it.

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Old 13th Sep 2019, 01:17
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Engage brain, check charts, revise radio procedures, and do it.
@Sunfish: After all, it's just like flying anywhere for the first time. If you're in Melbourne, you also had to get acquainted with the airspace here at one point or another. Where I'll give you full credit is that studying charts alone isn't always sufficient to get a thorough picture of what pilots should do. That's nothing new, of course, but flying in and around Sydney, the ERSA at YSSY is full of information regarding flight procedures where I personally wouldn't expect to find it. Flying privately and VFR while requiring extensive preparation and planning shouldn't feel like daunting task each time you're headed to new places though. I'd say take a best effort attitude by investing whatever time you consider reasonable in order to get a good picture of what to expect and carry out a safe flight. For the rest, just talk to ATS if unsure. The only certainty is that however much study you put into it, 1. you won't get rid of unexpected and random events, 2. you'll still make a few mistakes.
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the airspace seems out of the question for an unfamiliar PPL and impossible for RAA pilots and aircraft. In addition, you would need an ASIC, life jackets are required and I can’t see any friendly looking airfields anywhere - and it’s all tiger country
Poor you................
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 03:26
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And yet people manage it every single day.
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 09:41
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Dare I say that the majority of pilots travelling from Melbourne to Brisbane, would take the far more direct, easier and blessed by better weather, inland route.
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 09:54
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Swing through the inland route, Sunfish, stop at Scone and I will make you a coffee.
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 10:30
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Do both: coastal and inland.

It’s worth the experience and comparison, both as between the flights themselves and what would happen during equivalent flights in other countries.

(I’m only saying this to you and not terrorists, but the enforcement of ASIC requirements at non-Capital city airports is .... mmm ... patchy...)
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the enforcement of ASIC requirements at non-Capital city airports is .... mmm ... patchy...)
​​​​​​​I'd agree with that but there is always that one place.

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Any chance of re-posting that in English, YPJT?
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Old 16th Sep 2019, 03:12
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yep . . . old Horatio is fair dinkum . . .. . have a break in Scone . . . catch up with the amicable Leafblower . . himself.
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Old 16th Sep 2019, 07:28
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Originally Posted by drpixie View Post
Yeah - you'll need an ASIC, but any flying pilot needs one.
I must be doing something wrong: I fly RAA and heavies ex BNE and I don't have one. You've got me worried!
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Old 16th Sep 2019, 08:57
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Originally Posted by YPJT View Post

​​​​​​​I'd agree with that but there is always that one place.

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You don't need an ASIC - from the CASA site:
"If you plan to fly frequently into a security controlled airport that has RPT services you need to have an ASIC."
Initiative.
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You don't need an ASIC - from the CASA site:
"If you plan to fly frequently into a security controlled airport that has RPT services you need to have an ASIC."
Initiative.
Truth is that no allowance has been made by those responsible for ASICs to facilitate GA at rural airports that have a security requirement. There is no requirement for a GA pilot to have an ASIC card, besides costing too much money and only valid for two years (if you are lucky). There is no standardisation requirement for rural security airport management to provide for GA pilots that do not have and ASIC as can be seen by visiting a few around the country - some make it easy - some make it hard to almost impossible! Talk about discrimination.....!
It's about time that this clear case of discrimination was brought to the attention to those in charge of this ASIC mess - but then I doubt they would understand?
Once upon a time CASA issued a plastic credit card size licence - why cant they do that now and include a photo?
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 08:36
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It's about time that this clear case of discrimination was brought to the attention to those in charge of this ASIC mess - but then I doubt they would understand?
Once upon a time CASA issued a plastic credit card size licence - why cant they do that now and include a photo?
triadic,
Rhetorical questions??
The answer to the first is: they do understand, and simply do not care, they are more than happy about the present arrangements.
The answer to the second is: they can, but they simply do not care, they are more than happy about the present arrangements.
Until effective political weight is brought to the subject, nothing will change.
There is no likelihood, sadly, under present circumstances, where such political pressure is likely to emerge.
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