AVID vs ASIC
9/11 is blamed for the ASIC, but I wonder if money is the real reason.
There is a rumour, just a rumour that one or two ex DOTARS/CASA people make a mint out of ASIC's.
Why would a terrorist go to all the trouble to crash a plane into people when a bus or truck or car does just as well
and you don't need an ASIC for those........YET.
There is a rumour, just a rumour that one or two ex DOTARS/CASA people make a mint out of ASIC's.
Why would a terrorist go to all the trouble to crash a plane into people when a bus or truck or car does just as well
and you don't need an ASIC for those........YET.
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Let's face it, the whole thing is a big mess, because GA was not considered when the rules were drafted. The rules that currently exist do not make any provision for GA operators or pilots that do not hold an ASIC. The problem is that the rules and instructions to aerodrome operators should make a provision for pilots to come and go etc. Fix that and the problem for GA pilots landing at such aerodromes will go away. Or an alternative would be to formalise the AVID in some way and have it recognised as a ID for GA areas of such aerodromes. To solve this problem we firstly have to have it demonstrated that it is a problem and then come up with some workable solution/s. Something that AOPA, RAAus and the other groups should get together on.
The CASA web pages on the AVID provides an implication of the privileges and limitations of the AVID which concurs with your suggestion. Fingers crossed for common sense and happier days ahead.
This explains it all
If you’re not planning to use security controlled airports frequently, just get the AVID. The security controlled airports have procedures to allow non-ASIC holders to operate at them for short periods. This may be a temporary ASIC type document or them providing you with an escort. For the exercise contact a couple of security controlled airports and ask them what procedures they have.
The security controlled airports have procedures to allow non-ASIC holders to operate at them for short periods.
Dont blame the airports. Those who like to accuse airport staff of being “officious” for maintaining dislplay requirements don’t face the consequences of a non compliance.
YPJT - that video was hilarious - thanks for posting!
Hey guys, quick question about this. Where can I find out which airports require an ASIC for access? I'm tempted to apply for an AVID since it's cheaper and lasts longer, as I primarily fly RAAus, but need the card to satisfy CASA's paperwork requirements when converting to GA (working towards my CPL).
ERSA tells you on the second paragraph of the airport entry: "This is a security controlled airport". meaning, you need an ASIC. Its a good idea to have a flouro safety vest in the back of the aircraft. When you wear one of those nobody will bother to check for your ASIC.
This may be a temporary ASIC type document
Only CASA issues AVIDs.
Thread Starter
OK. Here’s my update.
When I first went down the AVID route, I studiously followed the guidelines on the CASA website which at the time pretty much stated that you don’t red an ASIC if you do not intend passing through security controlled zones within those airports.
Furthermore, I made email queries with someone at CASA to seek clarification and the general thrust was that the AVID was good if you didn’t intend to use security controlled airports frequently... I.e. not more than once a month.
Fast forward 12 months. They changed their website. So I had to apply for an ASIC in a hurry as I has a trip to YROM.
Thank you Covid!! I got my ASIC in under a week.
And yes, it was inspected with great care on arrival and two also two days later on departure at YROM.
The question uppermost in my mind is how do I apply for a refund for the useless AVID which was sold to me under false pretences?
In short, forget the AVID, it’s a useless piece of plastic, go get the ASIC.
When I first went down the AVID route, I studiously followed the guidelines on the CASA website which at the time pretty much stated that you don’t red an ASIC if you do not intend passing through security controlled zones within those airports.
Furthermore, I made email queries with someone at CASA to seek clarification and the general thrust was that the AVID was good if you didn’t intend to use security controlled airports frequently... I.e. not more than once a month.
Fast forward 12 months. They changed their website. So I had to apply for an ASIC in a hurry as I has a trip to YROM.
Thank you Covid!! I got my ASIC in under a week.
And yes, it was inspected with great care on arrival and two also two days later on departure at YROM.
The question uppermost in my mind is how do I apply for a refund for the useless AVID which was sold to me under false pretences?
In short, forget the AVID, it’s a useless piece of plastic, go get the ASIC.
Fixed it for you:
In short, forget the AVID: It’s a useless piece of plastic.
Go get the ASIC.
An ASIC is a useful piece of plastic. It’s useful for ... for ... being a nice little earner for those who process the applications and for providing a false sense of security for credulous punters.
An ASIC is a useful piece of plastic. It’s useful for ... for ... being a nice little earner for those who process the applications and for providing a false sense of security for credulous punters.
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You forget an added benefit Lead, at some airports you get a discount at the coffee shop.
That almost makes up for the huge markup on anything purchased at an airport terminal
to cover the cost of the massive rents charged by the Airport owners.
That almost makes up for the huge markup on anything purchased at an airport terminal
to cover the cost of the massive rents charged by the Airport owners.
Good point, TB. And I should have added: Scraping frost off windscreens.
