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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:54
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Wollongong name change

Refer AIP SUP H28/19

".. reduce the likelihood of confusion amongst aircraft operators, pilots and data providers .."

lol so they are giving this airport two names to reduce confusion! One of the names is the name of the airport already. Who is the genius that gets paid to come up with these ideas?

What are we supposed to say on CTAF? Shellharbour or Wollongong Gateway? Or are we supposed to say "Traffic Shellharbour Wollongong Gateway"? The AIP SUP doesn't specify.

This is adding many more words to a CTAF that is already very congested. It's already hard to get basic traffic broadcasts in time while in the circuit at YWOL.

Seriously please whoever came up with this can you please take it back. Giving an airport two names to avoid confusion!? This is a total joke and whoever is responsible for it has no idea what they're doing and needs to be fired!


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Old 21st Jun 2019, 20:41
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No one ever says ‘Ballina Byron Gateway’, it’s always just ‘Ballina’. It does seem unnecessary but operationally I doubt it will be called anything other than ‘Wollongong’.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 16:39
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"The 'Gong traffic..."
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 16:44
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 01:55
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Gold Coast is still Cooly.
Sunshine Coast is still Maroochy.
Sydney Metro is still Bankstown.
...and is anyone planning on calling for clearance at from "Nancy Bird Approach"?
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 01:56
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...oh and I called inbound at 2FC the other day, just to fkn show 'em.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 03:07
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From the AIC:

2. REASON FOR THE AERODROME NAME CHANGE

2.1 At present, Wollongong Airport (YWOL) to be renamed Shellharbour Airport/ Wollongong Gateway (YSHL) is located in Albion Park.

2.2 Albion Park is located in the Macquarie Valley in the City of Shellharbour.

2.3 Wollongong Airport is not a true reflection of the airport’s location.
Prior to the exodus of the "back room" experienced people in Airservices, proposals to change aerodrome names used to be referred to the regional RAPAC & CASA before progressing, to gauge opinions and potential impact. Some got knocked back due to potentially causing confusion and a safety issue. In some cases NAVAID idents would be involved.

I don't see any mention in recent NSW/ACT RAPAC minutes, so this one may have just been the AD OPR direct to Airservices AIS who just processed it without thinking about wider consultation and the impact.

It is usually the AD OPR who originates such changes, following a PR-type's thought bubble.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 07:12
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“Shellharbour Airport/ Wollongong Gateway”
the lunatics really are running the asylum.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 07:51
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this is preparing to close the airport and redevelop it. Wollongong is a city. Cities need airports. Shellharbour is just some address somewhere in the bush that nobody knows or could care about.

To put that another way “they’re closing Shellharbour! ..........wha???”.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 08:21
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Folks,
Just to add a bit of precision could we perhaps settle on the name: Shellharbour Wollongong Gateway Albion Park International Airport --- that should cover all the bases.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 08:45
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I don't see a problem in that Lead.

ATC: XYZ track direct to Shellharbour, Wollongong, Gateway Albion Park

XYZ: Say again.

ATC: Track direct to Shellharbour, Wollongong, Gateway Albion Park

XYZ: err say again

ATC: (Exasperated voice) Track direct to Wollongong

XYZ: (thinks) why didn't he say so in the first place

ATC: ( thinks) Deaf prick.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 09:48
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Why not just called it "Sydney South"?......
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 11:27
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I wonder if the NDB ident will change from WOL to SHL. If so, there would be a bit of work involved, with all the air routes tracking via WOL needing to be changed, charts & DAPs changed, and the resulting dataset changes including Jepp etc.

There is no mention of aeronautical data changes in the AIC.

Perhaps someone didn't think of that aspect ....

I recall something similar involving Kingscote on Kangaroo Island about 4-5 years ago . The local council filed a change of name with AIS which did get redirected to the SA RAPAC & local ATC & CASA, who pointed out the work involved (who was going to pay?), the potential confusion and the fundamental lack of a need for a name change aviation-wise, and I recall the proposal was withdrawn.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 11:39
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Originally Posted by CaptainMidnight View Post
I wonder if the NDB ident will change from WOL to SHL. If so, there would be a bit of work involved, with all the air routes tracking via WOL needing to be changed, charts & DAPs changed, and the resulting dataset changes including Jepp etc.

There is no mention of aeronautical data changes in the AIC.

Perhaps someone didn't think of that aspect ....

I recall something similar involving Kingscote on Kangaroo Island about 4-5 years ago . The local council filed a change of name with AIS which did get redirected to the SA RAPAC & local ATC & CASA, who pointed out the work involved (who was going to pay?), the potential confusion and the fundamental lack of a need for a name change aviation-wise, and I recall the proposal was withdrawn.
The name was changed from Kingscote to Kingscote/Kangaroo Island, Nuts!
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 23:54
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Originally Posted by Cloudee View Post
The name was changed from Kingscote to Kingscote/Kangaroo Island, Nuts!
That is OK, and must have come later.

Initially they wanted to rename it to something related to a tourism aspect, a name no-one would have a clue about where it was ....
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 01:27
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Thorn Bird,
Just trying to be helpful, given that the aerodrome in question is NOT in Wollongong or at Shellharbour.
How about "Albion Park Dogs" --- the doggie track is a well known local landmark --- even Sydneysiders know where that is!!
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 03:08
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Leadsled,
Albion Park Greyhounds is actually in Brisbane; I think you are referring to the Dapto greyhounds, universally know as the "Dapto Dogs". The airport isn't in Dapto, either. The nearest suburb is Albion Park Rail.

On a more serious note, think of the total cost of all the upgrades to GPS databases, IATA publications, Airservices charts and so forth which such a change automatically requires. Apparently the mayor of Shellharbour wanted the change, and I'm not aware of any consulation with airport operators or businesses. As for making an already congested CTAF just a little harder to work with, I couldn't agree more.
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 03:57
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Shellharbour mayor's dislike for all things Wollongong is well known. In this case, how dare their airport be called Wollongong Airport, so they changed it. It's got nothing to do with aviation and everything to do with ego.

Interestingly, it's generally only aviators who call it Wollongong Airport. Locals on the ground call it Illawarra Regional Airport, a region of which Shellharbour and Wollongong both belong. So if any name change were to happen, it probably should have been changed to Illawarra airport.

I'm guessing the mayor wants the CTAF calls to be changed to Shellharbour Traffic....

Unbelievable.
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 06:15
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Aviators call it Wollongong because that's how it's described in all the documentation, and there's obviously no need to change anything.
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 07:11
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How about the "First Nation's" name for the area??
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