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Old 28th Mar 2019, 01:23
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Qantas Group Training Academy at Wellacmp

Any news/rumours on the progress of construction and arrangements for the new Qantas Group Pilot Academy at Wellcamp, Toowoomba in conjunction with L3 Commercial Aviation?
The second academy site appears not to have been named at this stage.
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 01:32
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Plenty of news here:

Launy for QF Training School
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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs View Post
Plenty of news here:

Launy for QF Training School
Thanks for that. Not very good but like much these days in GA things tend to end in tears.
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Pretty sure L3 have walked away
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Pretty sure L3 have walked away
More than likely they ran.

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From the Qantas web site today

Qantas has appointed Flight Training Adelaide (FTA) as the training provider for the Toowoomba site.
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The Qantas Group Pilot Academy FAQs state:

4. If I successfully graduate from the Academy will I be guaranteed a job at Qantas?
No. However, after graduation, students will automatically join the Qantas Group’s talent selection pool...
That seems quite different to the current Virgin scheme, where, if I'm not mistaken, cadets are paid a salary during the course, are 'guaranteed' a job if they pass, and are then bonded to the airline for a period of three years.

Have I got that right?
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Christ I hope BDG doesn't end up a training site, it's a painful place now as it is with the yellow perils doing jet circuits & QF already going there!
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Originally Posted by BuzzBox View Post
The Qantas Group Pilot Academy FAQs state:
That seems quite different to the current Virgin scheme, where, if I'm not mistaken, cadets are paid a salary during the course, are 'guaranteed' a job if they pass, and are then bonded to the airline for a period of three years.

Have I got that right?
With previous cadetships, jobs weren’t “guaranteed” but it was assumed that if you passed the course to a high standard, didn’t prove yourself to be a knob on the course and the company was recruiting when you graduated that you would be would be on hold for a start date.

With this new program it’s quite vague. There’s little concrete info about what happens on completion of the program. As the first course won’t graduate until the end of next year they still have time to define a more accurate pathway regarding what happens upon graduation.
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Your first line is spot on, as for the rest? Well yes as you mentioned you do have a drinking problem...lolol
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​​​​​ With previous cadetships, jobs weren’t “guaranteed” but it was assumed that if you passed the course to a high standard, didn’t prove yourself to be a knob on the course and the company was recruiting when you graduated that you would be would be on hold for a start date.​​
Until they stopped hiring then made people who had then spent a reasonable time in industry placement reapply for their QF job, and then to be found unsuitable.

You really have to wonder why anyone would take the risk on a QF cadetship. Hardly the best value for money flight training going around.




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FTA also train Virgin cadets:

All Cadets are employed directly by Virgin Australia and paid a competitive remuneration package for the duration of the Cadet Training Program. This remuneration package is to assist with FTA accommodation and food costs. Our Cadets will also have access to benefits which include access to the Virgin Australia staff travel program and assistance with obtaining your Commercial Pilot’s Licence.

Following successful completion of the Cadet Training Program and meeting all the requirements of the role, you will be offered a permanent role within the Virgin Australia group and will be employed under the applicable pilots’ agreement.


With zero progression to Qantas or Jetstar and only vague prospects with QLink the QGPA doesn't offer much
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Originally Posted by cmcmon View Post
From the Qantas web site today

Qantas has appointed Flight Training Adelaide (FTA) as the training provider for the Toowoomba site.
ROFL APMS!!!!!
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https://australianaviation.com.au/20...lcamp-academy/

Capacity of 250 cadets per year. Original plan talked up eventual capacity of 500 per year.

So, someone check my numbers here. Say 200 cadets doing 150 CPL course initially. That is 30,000 hours. Over one third of which are solo hours but for those an instructor is "supervising" on the ground or contactable by electronic means. They are going to need a lot of instructors.
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"“After graduation, students will automatically join the Qantas Group’s pilot talent pool and have access to opportunities with other partners which will help fast track placement in the aviation industry,” Qantas said." Read to me as no direct employment afterwards and a need to go out and gain actual hours somewhere before being able to come back in a GA industry that is being strangled by CASA. I'm pretty sure I've heard this one before, I believe Griffith University had a partnership a while ago with Qantas, Students were interviewed, placed in the "Talent Pool" then told to go out and gain a thousand hours before they were qualified and from memory not a lot of those Pilots ended up actually getting in for various reasons.

As Icarus said, that's a lot of instructors as well, though I think Icarus is a bit light on the numbers, 150hr CPL course, they need ME-IR as well, even with a really well integrated course I'd day say closer to 170hrs on average times 250 students, 2/3 solo 28,050hrs means at least 50 instructors though more like 60 to allow some fat in the system? Has anyone seen any advertisements for the providers looking to increase their numbers?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for something like this, I've long wondered by Qantas and others haven't tried to set this up to have more control over numbers and quality coming in but this feels like more smoke and mirrors to me.
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Originally Posted by Ixixly View Post
"“After graduation, students will automatically join the Qantas Group’s pilot talent pool and have access to opportunities with other partners which will help fast track placement in the aviation industry,” Qantas said." Read to me as no direct employment afterwards and a need to go out and gain actual hours somewhere before being able to come back in a GA industry that is being strangled by CASA. I'm pretty sure I've heard this one before, I believe Griffith University had a partnership a while ago with Qantas, Students were interviewed, placed in the "Talent Pool" then told to go out and gain a thousand hours before they were qualified and from memory not a lot of those Pilots ended up actually getting in for various reasons.

As Icarus said, that's a lot of instructors as well, though I think Icarus is a bit light on the numbers, 150hr CPL course, they need ME-IR as well, even with a really well integrated course I'd day say closer to 170hrs on average times 250 students, 2/3 solo 28,050hrs means at least 50 instructors though more like 60 to allow some fat in the system? Has anyone seen any advertisements for the providers looking to increase their numbers?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for something like this, I've long wondered by Qantas and others haven't tried to set this up to have more control over numbers and quality coming in but this feels like more smoke and mirrors to me.


Caveat Emptor.

No doubt the glossy brochure has an A380 with gender fluid new hire endorsing the product.
The small print will tell a different story, flung to a 'subsidiary' at a non-market IR driven rate, with much accumulated debt over one's head.

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A glossy brochure suggesting one thing, for the fine print to deliver another is an abuse. It is deemed misleading and deceptive conduct.
Therefore, 'applicants' ought consider carefully the fine print before deciding.

To give them a job at Qlink ,likely flying a Q400 upon graduation
Are you sure the fine print stipulates they actually gained paid employment or merely access to 'talent pool' ?
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Imagine that , it's just so so terrible

What a terrible abuse of our precious young people

To give them a job at Qlink ,likely flying a Q400 upon graduation

After 18 months they will only be grossing $95 to $115K , getting staff travel , be able to put in EOIs to join mainline

This is reprehensible treatment of young Australians , totally used and abused and we as Australians ought to hang our heads in shame

Imagine that having the gall to employ people who hold the uber high qualification of a "year 12" and they have done an entire 54 of training

& we are only going to pay $100,000

There will be riots in the streets when the public gets wind of this outrageous treatment of young Australians by a horrible mean corporation
Why do you have this idea that students are guaranteed jobs at the completion of the course? Whilst I wouldn't be surprised if successful students of a particular gender ended up with jobs, the FAQ's makes it clear there's no such promise, only that students are placed into the talent pool alongside those that are already there.
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​​ Imagine that , it's just so so terrible

What a terrible abuse of our precious young people

To give them a job at Qlink ,likely flying a Q400 upon graduation

After 18 months they will only be grossing $95 to $115K , getting staff travel , be able to put in EOIs to join mainline

This is reprehensible treatment of young Australians , totally used and abused and we as Australians ought to hang our heads in shame

Imagine that having the gall to employ people who hold the uber high qualification of a "year 12" and they have done an entire 54 of training

& we are only going to pay $100,000​​
If you go and read the FAQs from the QANTAS website you will realise that your post is a complete fantasy.

So-called cadets will just pay alot for flying training and be looking for a gig in GA with everybody else. You would be more competitive going to uni, doing flying training elsewhere, and doing GA, than being taken to the cleaners by this mob.
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The greater risk here is the damage to the flying schools who would normally have trained the 250 / year students.
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