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Old 4th Dec 2018, 09:38
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Originally Posted by Horatio Leafblower View Post
....why on earth would you fly a C210 through a towering CU (or CB?) in Darwin in October?.... or ever?
There are some points I should make re this comment, if indeed it refers to the C210 accident in October, 2017, at Darwin.

1. The investigation report is incomplete
2. Are there any witnesses, or any confirmation, that aircraft entered a towering Cu, or CB
3. The matter is still possibly before the courts, and speculation is sub judice. Google it.

Give the crew the respect they deserve, they sadly cannot defend themselves.
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 09:49
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AC50 near Daintree, Freight not pax

Was this the one from 2001? I thought that had 1 pilot and 3 pax? It is it a different one?
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 10:23
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AC50 near Daintree, Freight not pax

Was this the one from 2001?
You are right - 10 April 2001 - and yes a CHTR 1 pilot 3 pax.
My apologies, trying to work and research and PPRuNe and answer phones all at the same time.
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 10:49
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tio 540 with all due respects- 2 POB both pilots it is hard to call it a charter flight regardless of what happened.

There is only one reason the second pilot is there, it aint to go fishing at the destination.

You can also give respect to all concerned not just the 2.

Many hurt that day!
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 11:15
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.Aus Jet had two excellent Cheyenne III's and one was damaged beyond repair when a full time staff member, totally in-experienced, demolished their best Cheyenne III on a landing accident.
Ok. So why would an operator allow a totallty in-experienced staff member to demolish their best Cheyenne? Doesn’t pass the pub test!
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 11:19
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
tio 540 with all due respects- 2 POB both pilots it is hard to call it a charter flight regardless of what happened.

There is only one reason the second pilot is there, it aint to go fishing at the destination.

You can also give respect to all concerned not just the 2.

Many hurt that day!
Crikey, some correcting required here.

1. The phrase is “due respect”
2. The regs do not prevent a charter flight being conducted with two pilots.
3. A non flying pilot can be on board for several reasons.
4. Absolutely, the two pilots deserve respect, each one.
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 11:27
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The ATSB website seems be missing quite a few accidents from their database. Ones I am familiar with and were fatal. Just non existent .. apparently!
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 11:28
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Originally Posted by tio540 View Post


Crikey, some correcting required here.

1. The phrase is “due respect”
2. The regs do not prevent a charter flight being conducted with two pilots.
3. A non flying pilot can be on board for several reasons.
4. Absolutely, the two pilots deserve respect, each one.
I also unlike many have respect for the operator in many ways, a fairly unique thing on PPRuNe

Out of interest in your opinion was the non flying pilot on board for any other reason than company requirement/business?
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 11:42
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The news reported the flight was a charter flight, transporting 1 deceased to a remote community.

A PF is often supported by a NF pilot, for ICUS, familiarization, or merely acting as a safety pilot.
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 11:54
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Originally Posted by tio540 View Post
The news reported the flight was a charter flight, transporting 1 deceased to a remote community.

A PF is often supported by a NF pilot, for ICUS, familiarization, or merely acting as a safety pilot.
Might need to act a bit more.

Think it is a freight run or was a briefing given?

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Old 4th Dec 2018, 21:15
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The pilot in the LHS was brand new to Darwin, straight out of flying school. The pilot in the RHS was his “supervisory pilot” - there to provide line training. He was only “qualified” as such off the back of a couple of circuits within 24 hrs or so of the accident. He only had a couple hundred hours himself and had been in the region for a handful of months during the dry season.

As offered above - not the aircraft’s failing, more likely a function of structured training lacking, pervading culture within the organisation and a shortage of experience all round to develop the newbies.
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 22:07
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A310R Bathurst Isand, 2011.

https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...r/ao-2011-017/
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 22:52
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A310R Bathurst Island, 2011.
I have spent a lot of time going through these accident reports and what is striking is that very few passenger-carrying charter flights actually hit the dirt. It is far more common for charter flights with pax to operate safely and arrive without incident, only to come to grief on the way home after the job.
This C310 at Bathurst Island is one such.
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 12:25
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This thread has gone so disgustingly off topic.
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 22:35
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Not so much disgusting as irrelevant, and in some posts, irrational.
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 03:22
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A lot of threads drift off, there's only so much you can add to a story such as a Co that has gone under! Its human nature to diverse, fact of life!
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 09:51
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Originally Posted by Alice Kiwican View Post


I can only think of the C210 near Darwin last year (or early this year) one experienced and one new pilot on board
“Experienced” is a matter of opinion that is unfortunately too varied these days. The term fluctuates with the job market and supply/demand of pilots.
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 23:38
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Check out the ad in The Australian - "Expressions of interest are sought to acquire the business and/or assets of the Ausjet Group".
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Old 13th Dec 2018, 19:24
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Originally Posted by Horatio Leafblower View Post
Private Pilot, Private ops.


CASA was PIC. couldn't possibly be the PICs fault, they are the ultimate Authority on aviation Safety.




AC50, near Torres FREIGHT NOT PAX the pilot, who was also the operator’s chief pilot, had either not met the recency requirements or did not have an endorsement to conduct the types of instrument approaches available at Horn Island
AC50 near Clonbinane, Private flight, Tools/LAME not pax
AC50 near Daintree, CHTR - 3 Pax
Seneca Bankstown, - VH-CTT - Flight Training not Pax
Duchess Camden, - 2003 - JWX - Flight training/Testing not Pax
C337 south of Kalgoorlie - ATSB shows no such accident
BN2 Coconut - 1999 - AGREED.
Queenair near Mount Garnet. ATSB shows no such accident

PA31 Whyalla - AGREED - but that was RPT, and in 2001 (over 17 years ago). It's Charter that's really dangerous and RPT that's really safe, remember?

How can CASA be PIC? I would have thought that would be pretty difficult when you aren't in a control seat.
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Old 13th Dec 2018, 19:30
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Originally Posted by ChoppaGirl View Post
How can CASA be PIC? I would have thought that would be pretty difficult when you aren't in a control seat.
However, I know it's possible. I would have thought it would be strange if he was logging PIC time for that flight. Maybe he was...
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