RAAUS shares aircraft owner details with airport operators
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RAAUS shares aircraft owner details with airport operators
It has been a long time coming and will cop them a lot of flak, but better for everyone in the end you'd have to think.
Cant remember their names but two gentlemen from RAAUS gave a presentation at the AAA national convention in Brisbane two weeks ago. It was announced there that this would be occurring. They did ask that airport operators treat RAAUS fairly in applying their charges. I guess it will be a mixed bag in that regard to how that goes.
I like the little mutual back scratch clause.... Only available to those airports which join up with AAA. Nice work Linke.
Some people would call that collusion... or is it just coercion?
Some people would call that collusion... or is it just coercion?
Interesting tosee how this new annoucement doesn't comply with their own RAAus Privacy Policy.
They then say why they are collecting our data:
Then you go to Section 5 about their disclosure of this information:
I do not mind paying my fair share of landing fees - but when you look at the local airport charging $275.00 for an hour of circuits (No, I didn't misplace the decimal point) for my <600Kg RAAus-registered RV, then I'm going to have an issue with RAAus passing on my details. I note the entry for Warnervale Airport on AvData's page does not align to what Council says they will charge, either...AvData says $7.50 exc-GST (per landing, so still $82.50/hour), but Council says $27.50 and the local aero club (who operate the field for Council) say it is $15.50 per landing...
Originally Posted by The RAAus Privacy Policy
RAAus only collects personal information that is reasonably necessary for, or directly related to the functions or activities of the RAAus (APP 3.1). The types of personal information that we generally collect and hold will include:
• Personal contact details
• Personnel/employee records including educational or professional qualifications
• Credit card application records
• Information in delegations
• Staff conflict of interest declarations
• Information in ministerial correspondence
• Freedom of Information applications
• Details of persons who attended RAAus training courses
• Mailing and subscription lists
• Contract, tender and submission documents
• Financial payment records
• Records for legal proceedings
• Complaint and feedback information
• Investigation records including witness statements, flight crew licences, training and qualification details, investigator’s notes and interview reports
• Records of notifications of accidents and incidents
• Next of kin contact details, and
• Age, health status and medical records supply by the member
• Personal contact details
• Personnel/employee records including educational or professional qualifications
• Credit card application records
• Information in delegations
• Staff conflict of interest declarations
• Information in ministerial correspondence
• Freedom of Information applications
• Details of persons who attended RAAus training courses
• Mailing and subscription lists
• Contract, tender and submission documents
• Financial payment records
• Records for legal proceedings
• Complaint and feedback information
• Investigation records including witness statements, flight crew licences, training and qualification details, investigator’s notes and interview reports
• Records of notifications of accidents and incidents
• Next of kin contact details, and
• Age, health status and medical records supply by the member
Originally Posted by The RAAus Privacy Policy
4.2. Why RAAus collects and holds personal information
4.2.1. Aircraft and Membership Personal information is collected by RAAus for the primary purpose of Membership requirements, services and benefits to Members relating to their Aircraft and Membership needs. We also collect personal information to assist in identifying ways in which we can serve you better, such as providing our products and services to you more effectively, and to assist our internal administration and operations including accounting, risk management, record keeping, archiving, systems development and testing, and staff training. Some of the information we collect is for the purpose of improving our interaction with Members and their involvement with RAAus. We collect personal information about third parties, including family members, for purposes of contacting in the case of an emergency for the purposes set out in this Privacy Policy. Failure to provide the information sought by RAAus for the purposes detailed may not enable the company to complete the membership process or any specific service requested.
4.2.1. Aircraft and Membership Personal information is collected by RAAus for the primary purpose of Membership requirements, services and benefits to Members relating to their Aircraft and Membership needs. We also collect personal information to assist in identifying ways in which we can serve you better, such as providing our products and services to you more effectively, and to assist our internal administration and operations including accounting, risk management, record keeping, archiving, systems development and testing, and staff training. Some of the information we collect is for the purpose of improving our interaction with Members and their involvement with RAAus. We collect personal information about third parties, including family members, for purposes of contacting in the case of an emergency for the purposes set out in this Privacy Policy. Failure to provide the information sought by RAAus for the purposes detailed may not enable the company to complete the membership process or any specific service requested.
Originally Posted by The RAAus PRivacy Policy
5.3. Use and disclosure of personal information
RAAus will only use and/or disclose personal information for the purposes for which it was collected (the primary purpose), unless an individual has consented to another use [APP 6]. There are certain limited circumstances in which RAAus may use or disclose information for a different purpose (a secondary purpose) without consent, such as where the secondary purpose is:
• directly related to the primary purpose for which the information was collected
• required or authorised under an Australian law or has been ordered by a court or tribunal
• necessary to lessen or prevent an immediate and serious threat to the life, safety of air navigation, health or safety of any individual, or public health or safety
• to facilitate the investigation of an occurrence involving an RAAus registered aircraft and the death or serious injury of one or more persons
• a permitted general situation or health situation, as defined by the Privacy Act; or
• an enforcement related activity and the use or disclosure of the information is reasonably necessary.
If RAAus uses or discloses personal information for a purpose other than what it was originally collected for, RAAus will keep a written notice of that use or disclosure as required by the APPs
RAAus will only use and/or disclose personal information for the purposes for which it was collected (the primary purpose), unless an individual has consented to another use [APP 6]. There are certain limited circumstances in which RAAus may use or disclose information for a different purpose (a secondary purpose) without consent, such as where the secondary purpose is:
• directly related to the primary purpose for which the information was collected
• required or authorised under an Australian law or has been ordered by a court or tribunal
• necessary to lessen or prevent an immediate and serious threat to the life, safety of air navigation, health or safety of any individual, or public health or safety
• to facilitate the investigation of an occurrence involving an RAAus registered aircraft and the death or serious injury of one or more persons
• a permitted general situation or health situation, as defined by the Privacy Act; or
• an enforcement related activity and the use or disclosure of the information is reasonably necessary.
If RAAus uses or discloses personal information for a purpose other than what it was originally collected for, RAAus will keep a written notice of that use or disclosure as required by the APPs
Last edited by KRviator; 25th Nov 2018 at 19:58.
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Interesting tosee how this new annoucement doesn't comply with their own RAAus Privacy Policy.
They have already been giving it to the ATO in accordance with their policy supposedly. Stuffs up those pensioners that own an aircraft and wanted to keep it private. A friend once proudly said to me, “the form from Centrelink said, do you own other assets like a boat or caravan, so he ticked NO.” It didn’t ask if he owned an aircraft !
This announcement is in the latest issue of Sport Pilot.
KRAviator: The final statement in your quote on the use of information provides for supply of data to AAA or any aerodrome operator.
I was interested to read of the charges for circuits. Many aerodromes treat circuits in one session as one landing .I would check to see if that is the case.
The AvData site shows: YWVAWarnervale AirportNSWLanding* <=700kg $7.50 flat, 701kg-2,000kg $14.09 per tonne, 2,001kg-3,000kg $16.50 per tonne, >3,000kg $21.00 per tonne. Parking $5.45 per day.while the aero club site shows the equivalent of $14.09 +GST/tonne
KRAviator: The final statement in your quote on the use of information provides for supply of data to AAA or any aerodrome operator.
I was interested to read of the charges for circuits. Many aerodromes treat circuits in one session as one landing .I would check to see if that is the case.
The AvData site shows: YWVAWarnervale AirportNSWLanding* <=700kg $7.50 flat, 701kg-2,000kg $14.09 per tonne, 2,001kg-3,000kg $16.50 per tonne, >3,000kg $21.00 per tonne. Parking $5.45 per day.while the aero club site shows the equivalent of $14.09 +GST/tonne
They are permitted to disclose it to the ATO, or otherwise as permitted by law, for SAR purposes etc, not to a private company or local government entity. The only requirement of that last paragraph is that if they do disclose it for a purpose that is not the primary purpose, they must keep a written record of doing so.
Originally Posted by Vag277
I was interested to read of the charges for circuits. Many aerodromes treat circuits in one session as one landing .
Originally Posted by Vag277
The AvData site shows: YWVAWarnervale AirportNSWLanding* <=700kg $7.50 flat, 701kg-2,000kg $14.09 per tonne, 2,001kg-3,000kg $16.50 per tonne, >3,000kg $21.00 per tonne. Parking $5.45 per day.while the aero club site shows the equivalent of $14.09 +GST/tonne
RAOz...are they learning from CAsA how to be take-over merchants and be top of the heap.?
...Regarding privacy issues of which statements appear very 'rubbery' are you aware that your ASIC/AVID picture is now in the CAsA system. ???
How come? Did you concur to that ? I did you sign a release note? Did they even ask ?
Are big flowery Privacy Statements even worth a rats rear end ??
Or is it that bureaucrazies just believe they can do what they like when it suits, regardless of the wording, or lack of it.
...Regarding privacy issues of which statements appear very 'rubbery' are you aware that your ASIC/AVID picture is now in the CAsA system. ???
How come? Did you concur to that ? I did you sign a release note? Did they even ask ?
Are big flowery Privacy Statements even worth a rats rear end ??
Or is it that bureaucrazies just believe they can do what they like when it suits, regardless of the wording, or lack of it.
are you aware that your ASIC/AVID picture is now in the CAsA system. ???
As for photos being on the CASA system. If RAAUS handed over their ASIC records to CASA when they pulled the pin from being an issuing body, every affected individual would have been contacted to seek approval. If not, I'd be asking some questions as to why.
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... and the private company that printed the cards has all of our photos (unless of course RAaus did it themselves on a printer).
Avdata charges are ex-GST hence the difference.
I understood that fees were sent to RA Aus so they could pass them on to the member, I guess this wasn't working?
It's always seemed unfair that the privacy of membership and issues of assets being hidden meant that GA and ratepayers had to subside these people so they could use aviation infrastructure for free.
I understood that fees were sent to RA Aus so they could pass them on to the member, I guess this wasn't working?
It's always seemed unfair that the privacy of membership and issues of assets being hidden meant that GA and ratepayers had to subside these people so they could use aviation infrastructure for free.
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I understood that fees were sent to RA Aus so they could pass them on to the member, I guess this wasn't working?
Maybe I should run for Mayor....
Yes good point, but in this case GA and airlines were being slugged and RAAus were getting free access so it was one rule for them and another for the rest of us.
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$22 to launch any length of boat at the Williamstown boat ramp in Melbourne.
It’s all about how broke the council is at the time.
It’s all about how broke the council is at the time.
KRAviator
Check the details
03.10008 Local Warnervale Based Aircraft NOT being used as part of a business - Resident rate (1 airport usage charge per 20 minute block for circuit operations, otherwise per landing)
03.10009 Up to 700 kgs (certified maximum take-off weight) MTOW Per 20 minute block for circuits otherwise per landing 5 $7.50 - $0.75 $8.25
See https://cdn.centralcoast.nsw.gov.au/...ges2018-19.pdf
Do your circuits in 20 minute blocks
Check the details
03.10008 Local Warnervale Based Aircraft NOT being used as part of a business - Resident rate (1 airport usage charge per 20 minute block for circuit operations, otherwise per landing)
03.10009 Up to 700 kgs (certified maximum take-off weight) MTOW Per 20 minute block for circuits otherwise per landing 5 $7.50 - $0.75 $8.25
See https://cdn.centralcoast.nsw.gov.au/...ges2018-19.pdf
Do your circuits in 20 minute blocks