What is happening with the MULTICOM?

[MagnumPI]

Aussie Bob, for what it's worth where I learnt to fly and am still a flying member of the aero club students are taught the importance of brevity on the airwaves and only making necessary calls. There is also a note in ERSA reminding visitors of this and that the only recommended call is when turning base.

I'm not sure if (as a flying school) we are unusual in this regard or even 'old school' but, like you, I have observed many, many pilots both 'at home' and at other airfields around the traps blathering on. Particularly RAA and glider pilots!

Also, I can't help but think that many younger pilots (like myself) are watching plenty of flying videos on YouTube from American pilots. Most yanks seem to love giving a call for ever leg of the circuit it would seem, and I wonder if people are watching this and thinking this is the best way to do things.

[Squawk7700]

Originally Posted by MagnumPI

Most yanks seem to love giving a call for ever leg of the circuit it would seem, and I wonder if people are watching this and thinking this is the best way to do things.

There’s a noticeable trend on YouTube where the yanks don’t use their callsign, they often just say the aircraft type.

[mullokintyre]

Originally Posted by CaptainMidnight

One would think the RAA instructors would have briefed their students at a very early stage of training about the area, obstacles, geo features etc.etc. AND the existence of IFR instrument approaches.

That is, provide their students with a basic overview of what the approaches are about, and in particular which direction the aircraft will appear from and head to on a missed approach etc. Those students will of course be mixing it with other aircraft including RPT at other fields in the future, including some doing instrument approaches, so the education would be worthwhile.

Most RAA Instructors would not have a clue about what IFR guys do, nor their approaches.
A student pilot has enough learning to do without having to learn about IFR approaches.
An RAA or student RPL should not be out practicing in IFR weather, but for some reason, the most likely time an IFR student is doing NDB work is on a clear blue sky day.
And in the vast majority of cases, at least at YSHT, it is the instructor doing the radio calls. The IFR students are generally silent.
Mick

[Cloudee]

From CAAP 166:

4.7 Practice instrument approaches
4.7.1 Pilots who wish to conduct practice instrument approaches in VMC should be particularly alert for other aircraft in the circuit, so as to avoid impeding the flow of traffic. Pilots flying IFR should give position reports in plain English so as to be easily understood by VFR pilots, who generally have no knowledge of IFR approach points or procedures. In general, positions should include altitude, distance and direction from the aerodrome. Including details such as the outbound/inbound legs of an instrument approach, or area navigation fixes, will generally be of little assistance to VFR pilots in establishing situational awareness.

[CaptainMidnight]

Originally Posted by mullokintyre

Most RAA Instructors would not have a clue about what IFR guys do, nor their approaches.
A student pilot has enough learning to do without having to learn about IFR approaches.

I'm aware of RAA instructors who do, and do what I said. Clearly your local ones don't.

but for some reason, the most likely time an IFR student is doing NDB work is on a clear blue sky day.

So given YSHT usual blue sky weather, they should go somewhere else to practice? Or call off IFR training until winter? Practice under the hood is standard procedure.

Cloudee: agree, that is what should be happening and the instructor should know that.