Can you fly with expired ASIC?
Put a bar code on it that can be scanned with a simple phone app, to check is genuine and hasn't been revoked, also if it doesn't open doors anymore is a good way to raise security awareness.
If police know while your driving your car that your registration has expired, can check your drivers licence hasn't been suspended/cancelled, then a revoked/cancelled ASIC by security personnel can't be all that hard.
If police know while your driving your car that your registration has expired, can check your drivers licence hasn't been suspended/cancelled, then a revoked/cancelled ASIC by security personnel can't be all that hard.
That being said their exchange rate is terrible and you’re better off using an ATM.
No ASIC? No way!
Oh dear.
You do realise, Kylie, that there are lots (and lots) of people who lawfully fly without an ASIC? Not only is there no causal link between the airworthiness of an aircraft and whether its pilot is or is not the holder of a valid ASIC, and no causal link between the pilot's competence and whether the pilot is or is not the holder of an ASIC, but there is no law that says you're not allowed to fly without an ASIC. Lots (and lots) of people fly in Australia without holding a licence issued by CASA, in and out of places at which ASICs are not required.
You do realise, Kylie, that there are lots (and lots) of people who lawfully fly without an ASIC? Not only is there no causal link between the airworthiness of an aircraft and whether its pilot is or is not the holder of a valid ASIC, and no causal link between the pilot's competence and whether the pilot is or is not the holder of an ASIC, but there is no law that says you're not allowed to fly without an ASIC. Lots (and lots) of people fly in Australia without holding a licence issued by CASA, in and out of places at which ASICs are not required.
Apologies..
Oh dear.
You do realise, Kylie, that there are lots (and lots) of people who lawfully fly without an ASIC? Not only is there no causal link between the airworthiness of an aircraft and whether its pilot is or is not the holder of a valid ASIC, and no causal link between the pilot's competence and whether the pilot is or is not the holder of an ASIC, but there is no law that says you're not allowed to fly without an ASIC. Lots (and lots) of people fly in Australia without holding a licence issued by CASA, in and out of places at which ASICs are not required.
You do realise, Kylie, that there are lots (and lots) of people who lawfully fly without an ASIC? Not only is there no causal link between the airworthiness of an aircraft and whether its pilot is or is not the holder of a valid ASIC, and no causal link between the pilot's competence and whether the pilot is or is not the holder of an ASIC, but there is no law that says you're not allowed to fly without an ASIC. Lots (and lots) of people fly in Australia without holding a licence issued by CASA, in and out of places at which ASICs are not required.
I’m fairly sure commercial pilots need an ASIC, it says so on the Asic website
Last edited by Kylie walker; 18th May 2023 at 06:34.
Here is the law.
AVIATION TRANSPORT SECURITY REGULATIONS 2005 - REG 6.55 Exercise of privileges of flight crew licences etc (austlii.edu.au)
Nothing to do with CASA and they have no authority to enforce it. However they will not issue a licence without it.
AVIATION TRANSPORT SECURITY REGULATIONS 2005 - REG 6.55 Exercise of privileges of flight crew licences etc (austlii.edu.au)
Nothing to do with CASA and they have no authority to enforce it. However they will not issue a licence without it.
Oh dear.
You do realise, Kylie, that there are lots (and lots) of people who lawfully fly without an ASIC? Not only is there no causal link between the airworthiness of an aircraft and whether its pilot is or is not the holder of a valid ASIC, and no causal link between the pilot's competence and whether the pilot is or is not the holder of an ASIC, but there is no law that says you're not allowed to fly without an ASIC. Lots (and lots) of people fly in Australia without holding a licence issued by CASA, in and out of places at which ASICs are not required.
You do realise, Kylie, that there are lots (and lots) of people who lawfully fly without an ASIC? Not only is there no causal link between the airworthiness of an aircraft and whether its pilot is or is not the holder of a valid ASIC, and no causal link between the pilot's competence and whether the pilot is or is not the holder of an ASIC, but there is no law that says you're not allowed to fly without an ASIC. Lots (and lots) of people fly in Australia without holding a licence issued by CASA, in and out of places at which ASICs are not required.
AVIATION TRANSPORT SECURITY REGULATIONS 2005 - REG 6.55
Note: A flight crew licence is a security designated authorisation (see regulation 1.08 and section 74G of the Act).(2) Subject to subregulation (4), a person who is over 18, and holds a security designated authorisation, must not perform a duty that is essential to the operation of an aircraft while the aircraft is in Australian territory unless:
(a) his or her aviation security status check is current; or
(b) he or she has requested an aviation security status check.
I don’t think it is enforced but is that not a law that prohibits you flying without a current ASIC?
Last edited by Cloudee; 18th May 2023 at 07:18.
Only applies to CASA-issued FCL's, though, if you delve into the definitions deeply enough. RAAus, GFA, HGFA et al, all fly without that pesky piece of plastic. (Usually) quite safely, too... And it doesn't even have to be an ASIC! You can apply for an AVID - it's not the card that needs to be current, it's the security check, (which is done for an AVID, as well) And you don't actually need an ASIC to fly - you can just have applied for one, even if that application is subsequently refused! You've been good to fly in th intervening period.
Yup, that's logical, yesirreee! Only in Oz...
Yup, that's logical, yesirreee! Only in Oz...
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The Transport Security Regs require a holder of a Flight Crew Licence to have a current security check ie ASIC or AVID.
RAAus etc are not licences, they are certificates issued by a non government entity.
Holders of those only need them if they are going to an aerodrome that requires ASICs to be airside.
It is ridiculous and this has been pointed out to the OTS before.
Just bear in mind that in some parts of the world you need the equivalent of an ASIC for every different aerodrome you fly into, so having one for the whole country makes more sense than that.
RAAus etc are not licences, they are certificates issued by a non government entity.
Holders of those only need them if they are going to an aerodrome that requires ASICs to be airside.
It is ridiculous and this has been pointed out to the OTS before.
Just bear in mind that in some parts of the world you need the equivalent of an ASIC for every different aerodrome you fly into, so having one for the whole country makes more sense than that.
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Cloudee: The answer is in posts #108 and #109.
The Transport Security Regs require a holder of a Flight Crew Licence to have a current security check ie ASIC or AVID.
RAAus etc are not licences, they are certificates issued by a non government entity.
Holders of those only need them if they are going to an aerodrome that requires ASICs to be airside.
RAAus etc are not licences, they are certificates issued by a non government entity.
Holders of those only need them if they are going to an aerodrome that requires ASICs to be airside.
Only in Oz....
Only applies to CASA-issued FCL's, though, if you delve into the definitions deeply enough. RAAus, GFA, HGFA et al, all fly without that pesky piece of plastic. (Usually) quite safely, too... And it doesn't even have to be an ASIC! You can apply for an AVID - it's not the card that needs to be current, it's the security check, (which is done for an AVID, as well) And you don't actually need an ASIC to fly - you can just have applied for one, even if that application is subsequently refused! You've been good to fly in th intervening period.
Yup, that's logical, yesirreee! Only in Oz...
Yup, that's logical, yesirreee! Only in Oz...
Last edited by Kylie walker; 19th May 2023 at 07:00.
CASA won't issue a new licence without a current security check. That's their only involvment in it.At the moment ASIC or AVID are the only ones they will accept.
Reg 6.55 is from the Transport Security Regulations, not the Civil Aviation Regulations.
A flight crew licence is a security designated authorisation (see regulation 1.08 and section 74G of the Act).
(2) Subject to subregulation (4), a person who is over 18, and holds a security designated authorisation, must not perform a duty that is essential to the operation of an aircraft while the aircraft is in Australian territory unless:
(a) his or her aviation security status check is current; or
(b) he or she has requested an aviation security status check.
Reg 6.55 is from the Transport Security Regulations, not the Civil Aviation Regulations.
A flight crew licence is a security designated authorisation (see regulation 1.08 and section 74G of the Act).
(2) Subject to subregulation (4), a person who is over 18, and holds a security designated authorisation, must not perform a duty that is essential to the operation of an aircraft while the aircraft is in Australian territory unless:
(a) his or her aviation security status check is current; or
(b) he or she has requested an aviation security status check.
CASA are under the Civil Aviation Act/ Regulations.
ASICs come under Transport Security Regulations.
an airport may be designated as "Security controlled", that only applies during the traffic period, so if your ASIC-less pilot still wants to stage through there, and can schedule his ETA/ATD around the RPT, they still don't need an ASIC to be airside.
Not necessarily, that depends on what is written in that aerodrome's Transport Security Program.
The Transport Security Regs require a holder of a Flight Crew Licence to have a current security check ie ASIC or AVID
So based on TSR reg 6.55 para (3)(a) below, you don’t necessarily need an ASIC, but need a Security Status Check at least every 5 years!
(2) ……..a person who is over 18, and holds a security designated authorisation, must not perform a duty that is essential to the operation of an aircraft while the aircraft is in Australian territory unless:
(a) his or her aviation security status check is current; or
(b) he or she has requested an aviation security status check.
(3) For paragraph (2)(a), a person's aviation security status check is current at a particular time if:
(a) it was carried out no more than 5 years before that time; or
(b) he or she has requested that a new check be carried out; or
(c) within the previous 2 years, he or she underwent a background check for the issue of an ASIC.
